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    1. So? Socrates and Cicero get quoted lots but I’m sure their views on the nature of the universe were not exactly up to scratch with 21st century astronomy.

      1. “So? Socrates and Cicero get quoted lots but I’m sure their views on the nature of the universe were not exactly up to scratch with 21st century astronomy.”

        So what? – right back at you.

        It’s the methodology that matters not necessarily the conclusions. Scientific conclusions and methodology are based on evidence and will evolve as the understanding of evidence demands. It is a strength not a weakness.
        Received and static messages of religion cannot be mofiied.
        Volumes can be written where science has subsequently demolished religious dogma but not a sentence written of religious dogma subsequently invalidating science.

        1. While you are so sure of science you neglect that the religious text you readily dismiss has provided an accurate description of end-time events which confirms Chris’s fears that an apostate religious power is soon to rule first in the USA and then worldwide. The following text describes atheism (king of South) appearing to rule until a final push by apostate religion (king of North) works to establish a worldwide system of forced worship. “And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.”
          Sound interpretation tells us that both sides are wrong but if you keep rejecting the chance to learn why then you will be deceived along with most of the worlds inhabitants.

  1. From 1984 initial budget predictions was squishy, when rogernomics begun the health budget was about 6 Billion rising to about 22 billion or what ever it is today. It’s predicted budget in 1990 was about 4 billion because of some private insurance scheme, which was just inflation.

    It’s actually 1990 budget was 8 Billion, by now it’s at least a 200% increase over projections.

    To parse the Liberal/Conservative joke I see woke-bros as not throwing a drowning tranny 20m off shore a 20m rope, then dropping your end and feel good about the ‘good deed’ for the day.

    No, this is a man drowning 20m off shore, and you only have a 10m rope. It does no good to throw the damn rope if you have to let go of your end for it to reach him.

  2. Without meaning to insult people it is easy to see how the likes of q anon, pedophile pizza joints, and whatever other nut job theories run rampant when huge numbers of the planets inhabitants believe in various forms of ‘faith’ not remotely associated with proven fact.

  3. Excellent essay. The first I’ve read by Mr Trotter that addresses the Science vs irrationality conundrum. Reassuring to read from him.

  4. You bet it can!
    As a British immigrant of some 55 years, one of the first things I noticed was the Kiwis’ proclivities for aping US trends. From the music to the designs of the towns and cities to the language used to the constant choice of conservative government. It really was a mini US.
    It is even more so in the present with politicians who do nothing to aid the lot of the downtrodden and the obsession with ‘business solutions’.
    The next step is as inevitable as rain with a Sou’ Wester.

    1. We havent had a massive increase in Hispanic immigrants, probably goes a long way in explaining the continued strong influence of Christian Conservatism in the USA even as the White demographics have cratered the last few decades.

      There is huge dissonance in the heads of White social liberals when confronted by non white “communities” pushing back against their “progressive” sexual free for all ideology.

      1. Yes, that is why progressive social liberals need to serious think about reaching out and perhaps working with those who oppose immigration.

  5. John Key on America-‘I love everything …about the place’!
    I was hoping he would move there after …politics…but after receiving Australia’s highest honour ,the ANZ beckoned,and now it is splitting into a Goldman Sachs type entity.

  6. It is common knowledge that the USA empire is in rapid decline, but that fact is well masked from the “blue eyed brigade” by continuous BS. The irony is that the massive panic driven sanctions imposed on Russia are actually increasing it’s rate of decline

  7. I’ve been involved in lots of protests. There is no way of controlling who joins in and nor should there be. But even in the posh and futile affairs I’ve been involved in there have been some people we were glad to not be judged by. And the media didn’t make stuff up about those of us attending either.
    It’s pretty low to ‘diagnose’ the imagined ills and flaws of the protestors according to middle-class bigotry, without knowing them, and joining in to the scapegoating they were protesting about, in the process.

  8. NZ never had the same religious fervor as USA. That nation is up their with Poland, India for strongest religious sentiment. So more conservative on moral issues like abortion.

    Abortion never got put in the constitution since Roe vs Wade because it would be political suicide for a lot of politicians to support it AND STILL IS. Therefore pro abortionists have had to make do with an ice cold technical legal win via Judicial branch of government.

    USSR was atheistic rationalism and all about science as long as it conformed to Socialist ideology.

    Remind me which superpower collapsed?

    Good thing if the Supreme Court kicks the issue back to the Peoples Representatives to sort it out like it should always have been. Over the decades various justices have expressed their discomfort at having the onus put on them to decide Big Questions that rightly need to be settled in the Peoples Assembly.

  9. This country will end up like the USA is National/ACT gets their way, and charter schools run by evangalicals are allowed to grow like weeds.

  10. Ours is a conflict over control of the narrative.

    The right dismiss state owned or state financed media (and state funded parties) as some sort of threat to the natural order (a religion heritage and culture derived from the throne of empire capital – their God and his son mammon).

    Their neo-liberal regime identifies whatever centres of resistance remain to their hegemony and demonises them as threats. Such as “woke” support for co-goverance model that would block the sale of public assets.

  11. The left need to get a grip.
    The draft ruling just says that it’s not a Supreme Court issue because abortion isn’t a constitutional matter.
    States may make laws in this regard instead, same as in Aussie where the abortion laws vary between states.
    Also because the Democrats are in charge of all three branches of government they have the power to impose federal law on abortion. Instead they’d rather run around screaming at SCOTUS because they know it won’t go down well with their Catholic supporters. ie it’s a kabuki show to confuse voters.

    1. Public opinion has more or less been stable on the issue of abortion for a while with the majority being in favor of some abortion access (usually before late term pregnancy). Even fewer clinics don’t necessarily translate to fewer abortions. What it is is that the pro-life movement declaring it’s winning, which they’d do no matter what.

      What I wonder is if any has studied public optimism in the future and abortion rates. Abortion peaked in the 80s, but that was NOT an optimistic time, culturally speak. It’s no accident all the post-apocalyptic fiction fell out of the 70s and 80s. Drugs and crime seemed to be on the rise without stop, poverty seemed to get worse, American society (at least) was still getting over the Vietnam war, and the Cold War was still happening. Virtually all of that started turning around in the 90s and it seemed to me that abortion did too. I wonder if with the combination of extremely reliable birth control, the world just seems more like a place you’d want to try to have a baby in than it was when everything seemed like it was going to shit.

      1. I don’t think the pro lifers are claiming a victory, but centrists such as myself are enjoying the fits of hysterical outrage coming from the left, all over a legalistic decision that is unlikely to have any impact on anyone.
        Can you imagine the tears after the midterms! And the show trials that will surely follow!!!

        1. Centrist my arse, you are on record on wanting abortion banned, homosexuality recriminialised, trans people put in camps, wages cut, and US style health care imposed.

        2. Plus you also think that cops should be able to gun down blacks in the streets like dogs. Same attitude as the KKK

        3. We’ll have an excellent basis for objective analysis shortly, as one of the GOP’s core platforms has become defunding Planned Parenthood. What happens to the abortion rate as Planed Parenthood is gutted will provide the answer. It’s a pity that this excellent scientific experiment is going to come at such a terrible human cost, but that’s the price of pro-life policies.

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