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  1. Yeh he may be the best a of a bad bunch, but I still think he’s full of it. Not to mention that as a Northland MP and Dr himself is that the Northland DHB is in dire straits the amount of miss diagnoses and poor care that occurs! I have some experience with this as my best friend was told for over a year and a half that he had haemorrhoids that then turned out to be rectal cancer the incidences of this type of miss/under diagnose is so common in Northland it’s ridiculous, and this is happening right under his nose.

  2. He hasn’t had very big shoes to fill.

    Jonathan Coleman is widely regarded as our worst ever Minister of Health. The Nurses organisation gave up trying to reason with him. They couldn’t strike as that would have impacted even worse on their patients while arrogant National just displayed their usual indifference. No wonder strike action went straight on the table the moment National were gone.

    Michael Woodhouse is a despicable individual who most wouldn’t trust to buy a litre of milk yet he was National’s health spokesman. Appropriate to describe that as sick.

    Now along comes Reti. I spoke with several people up North about him before he became the Nat health spokesman. All were scathing of him. Nek minute.

    If he’s National’s future, what a sad reflection that is on all the others. He’s an ok MP but nothing more. We are so used to 2/10 from National Party MP’s that the moment one gets 5/10 he’s commended and spoken of as the future of National. How low is that bar set?

    1. Surely Dr Clark best fills the position of worst Health Minister of the last 10 years. The only one who had to be sacked.

    2. I think Bill English was by far the worst. Things that were done when he was minister of health were stupid and damaging.

  3. Informative and interesting, as usual, Chris.

    ‘It is part of the triumph– and tragedy – of the second feminist wave, that we now know that there are women, too, without honour. That they can lie as well as any man.’

    Actually, there is a lot of evidence that women make better liars than men. Whereas males use physical prowess to dominate, being physically smaller, women use verbal skills and tears to dominate.

    And since politics is primarily about lying convincingly, women have a natural advantage.

    That is not to say that there are not exceptionally good male liars on the political scene. Tony B Liar was one of the best,,,until his lies go so outrageous -“Weapons of mass destruction ready to be launched at 45 minutes notice”, Yellow cake from Africa” etc.; John Howard, “The refugees have been throwing babies into the shark-infected waters”; and of course our own John Key’s “Better brighter future, Rock star economy,” blah, blah blah.

    So now we have the professional liars plastering the landscape with: ‘Strong team, More Jobs, Better economy’ bullshit. Meaningless -actually Orwellian- slogans, presumably created by advertising executives or public relations experts -another bunch of professional liars.

    Doe anyone believe the crap any longer?

    ‘It is to be hoped that, in addition to wisdom, empathy and steadfastness, Reti has also been blessed with plenty of courage.’

    We all know (well those of us capable of critical thinking), that the things most missing from politics are wisdom, empathy and courage. Indeed, we can say unequivocally that politics in NZ is characterised by lack of wisdom, lack of empathy and lack of courage.

    Hence, NONE of the issues that needed to be urgently addressed long ago even get a mention, let alone policy statements.

    It is because of the assiduous avoidance by politicians over many decades of ALL critical issues that we are now in terminal meltdown on all fronts -literally as far as ‘climate change’ is concerned, and metaphorically as far finances, the economy, biodiversity, and society etc. are concerned.

    Pick your topic (any will do) and note that the current state is worse than a year ago, much worse than a decades, and is being made worse at an ever-increasing pace by the political-financial-economic system.

    The cumulative damage inflicted over decades and increasing rate of failure systems are why I believe we will reach the point of catastrophic failure before the end of 2020, with NZ in a somewhat better position than most other nations simply because it was one of the last major land masses to be colonised by ‘the empire’.

    Here is something that matters:

    https://nsidc.org/greenland-today/

    since the melting of the ice on Greenland will raise sea levels by around 7 metres,, inundating hundreds of major cities around the world, including Auckland Wellington, Christchurch, Dunedin. Nelson, Tauranga, Whangarei, Wanganui.

    Hamilton will be safe from sea level rise but will have the severe local effects of planetary overheating to deal with.

    Oh, and by the way, there won’t be any petrol or diesel to run internal combustion engines, nor any means to maintain highways, a decade or so from now.

  4. History allows us to keep the tools of political science and theory honest. If you look at the cycle of the theory that previous National Party leaders or any other for that matter, they’re essentially recycling the same old data sets through the same old theories for decades, now Covid19 has disproven most of them, so we must adapt new ones because the old theories didn’t have to deal with any big change. Corona is a big shock to the system and suddenly we have to deal with a big chunk of migrant workers because all the exit scams got shut down, overnight, with everyone’s blessing.

    Now we have to think about long-established conventional wisdom and test theories on new standards rather than testing data on theories, out of which the data had been developed which is just making the theory fit the data. Suddenly we have new data coming along in real-time.

    As the economy adapts to new market behaviour’s so too will political reality modify to the new environment and that produces natural justice. There are many ways to modernize an island nation but now we have new data with which to democratize New Zealand by absorbing migrant 2nd class workers firstly and treaty partner goals 2nd. No one should have to tolerate 2nd class citizens. We’ve had a market economy since 1984 but some of it remains state-run capitalism while retaining nondemocratic functions. Now there are conditions for what constitutes a stable democracy that can be put to the test.

    Is it all about the economy stupid? Do beliefs of citizens matter and what kinds of beliefs and what about the beliefs of elites are some of the things we can look at in new contexts.

  5. Agreed Chris;

    Shane Reti walks with a fine line of soft expression not harsh condemnation as National usually uses, – that is ‘warm on the ears of many listeners now’ and will pickup many votes in the north. The other Shane in the North (Shane Jones) is a caustic arrogant man many now hate so the term attributed to Baden-Powell, the founder of the Boy Scouts””Softly softly catchie monkey” is fitting this political mould perfectly as using the soft approach will achieve in time the goal wished.

    Shane Reti uses this powerful method very wisely, and a pity more Politicians don’t pick up this soft style, as we would benefit from it during this disturbing tumultuous time.

  6. I may be being rather old fashioned here in identifying Dr Reti’s difficult-to-name quality, as being, goodness.
    He is a fairly rare highly qualified, highly achieved politician, amidst a fairly motley sort of bunch, but also a patently good person.

    Paula Bennett’s office seemingly trying to sully Hurimoana Dennis’s reputation in the media I thought one of the dirtiest bits of contemporary mud slinging in the last hopeless Nat govt, and an absence of goodness. The thing here was that Dennis was not a political opponent, or a politician and thereby a “justifiable” target. He was the kaumatua of a marae doing a good job helping homeless people in totally desperate circumstances and should have been saluted as such; Bennett’s response, as a politician, was not just counter-productive, but I would have thought counter-intuitive to being a successful representative of the people. Reti is elevating the Nats to a new level, but it will take more than one voice crying in the wilderness to achieve a much-needed culture change.

    1. ‘in identifying Dr Reti’s difficult-to-name quality, as being, goodness’

      There is a high degree of cognitive dissonance in placing the words National and goodness in close proximity, since everything National stands for -loot and polluting, exploitation of the mases by the few etc. would not normally be regarded as good.

      Put it another way, as another commenter already has: if Reti is a good person, what the hell is he doing being a National MP?

  7. Yes Shane Reti also uses the Gilbert & Sullivan’s approach of “My object all sublime we shall achieve in time” (Milkado) is another approach Shane Reti uses, so he is well skilled here by someone.

    We saw this in other notable PM,s past and present, as we always saw in Winston after his comments he would give us all that warm mischievous smile to warm us up.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Object_All_Sublime

  8. A juggling act is one where the light catches and quickly slips off the flying objects. In the fleeting moment of magic one might miss the opposite of a strong moral core.

    On occasion in the House Winston Peters has referred to Dr Reti and challenged him to back up the bullshit he’d been putting out.

    Would a string moral core have allowed the bullshit to be said, and repeated and repeated? Would the difference of a strong moral core have meant some courage and honesty?

  9. Well he (Reti) might want to start with picking his own teams balls before he picks up others. PS. He will need a huge bag for this task as his team are still dropping balls.

  10. Well he (Reti) might want to start with picking his own teams balls before he picks up others. PS. He will need a huge bag for this task as his team are still dropping balls.

  11. Well he (Reti) might want to start with picking up his own teams balls before he picks up others. PS. He will need a huge bag for this task as his team are still dropping balls.

  12. Well he (Reti) might want to start with picking up his own teams balls before he picks up others. PS. He will need a huge bag for this task as his team are still dropping balls.

  13. I listened closely when Dr Reti made his two initial statements that seemed to be of different intent than Mrs Collins approach. But this morning on RNZ he seems to have been pulled back into line, and made the usual whinging, catastrophising, special pleading on how badly the Govt. has handled Covid, and that Dr Bloomfield needs to be dragged before a Select Committee to be grilled properly by the likes of himself.

    Before Covid I would have said “don’t go there” to anyone pumping up Shane Reti. In his Whangarei electorate he is an obsequious chameleon, oozing smarm. He has niggled about 4 lane highways for Northland with ads on the front page of right wing rag the Northern Advocate for years. He runs his own people down and has the Pākehā’s backs in the main. He is a defender of privilege and seems surprised if anyone describes him as Māori. He supported middle class residents of Maunu suburb who raised $60,000 recently for a campaign to stop other citizens having warm dry housing–30 plus new state houses to be built on an ex MOE site.

    Urban myths circulate that he pays for some prescriptions out of his own pocket. But this man is a Nat, with Nat values, and he deserves to do down with the ship like the others. Any basically decent Nats leave the party of Hollowmen sooner rather than later.

    1. It may be an urban myth that he pays for some prescriptions out of his own pocket.

      It is not an urban myth that you have paid for his front page Northern Advocate ads on the front page of right for years. You have, the taxpayers have. Do you think the urban myth prescriptions money would match the definite many many thousands money of the newspaper ads?

  14. I’ve picked up on preciely the same thing, Chris. There is a responsible maturity; a calmness; a reasonableness about Dr Reti that I picked up on immediately from a RNZ interview last (?) week.

    My immediate thought was that a Reti-Kaye or Kaye-Reti leadership of the National Party would have been politically explosive to the current government.

    Luckily (for Labour and the Greens, but not so much for Aotearoa New Zealand), that combo would never eventuate.

    The question remains now; what will happen when National loses the election in October? (And make no mistake, on their current polling, they WILL lose!) Will Ms Collins hang on as Leader? Even if her colleagues wanted to dump her, who would replace her? Mark Mitchell, the Bland Man?

    It can only be Dr Reti, if the Nats have a molecule of common sense about them.

    The next question is why I’m making suggestions that would inevitably help the Tories? I should do something more constructive while I’m in isolation. The shower walls need cleaning…

    1. ‘I should do something more constructive while I’m in isolation. The shower walls need cleaning…’

      I pop in here for a bit of intellectual stimulation during my breaks from work (not paid employment).

      ‘if the Nats have a molecule of common sense about them’

      In the National party, dogma and mantra overrule common sense.

      In the real world, geochemistry trumps dogma and mantra.

    2. While you’re dealing with slime ponder the bit from Tiger Mountain:

      “He is a defender of privilege and seems surprised if anyone describes him as Māori. He supported middle class residents of Maunu suburb who raised $60,000 recently for a campaign to stop other citizens having warm dry housing–30 plus new state houses to be built on an ex MOE site.”

      His supporters want to have a world of haves and have nots. They don’t want the have nots to pollute their lovely neighbourhoods though. Those lowlives belong in a ghetto somewhere out of sight. That’s what you have a national MP for, to see that’s how things happen. In that sense Reti has the perfect qualifications to be their leader.

    3. Nice that Dr. Reti is now Judith’s best friend. But wait..Maybe Cam Slater is still her best friend..or is he past his use by date? Is it a case of “Trust me I’m a doctor”.

  15. Only a person reading fairy tales could believe Reti, being the Nats leader, not race but almost as offensive his look.

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