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  1. Sooo much wrong with this analysis, Chris.

    You’re simply repeating official Zionist dogma that has conspicuously failed to withstand serious historical scrutiny.

    First up: “Nor is recourse to force majeure. Three times that has been attempted (1948, 1967, 1973) and three times it has failed.”

    Nope. 1948 and 67 initiated by Israel in order to militarily carve out the long hoped for Greater / Eretz Israel. The original Zionist acceptance of Partition was purely tactical – as Ben Gurion made clear, it was a springboard for Israeli territorial expansion. The entire spectrum of Zionist opinion shared this view.

    In 48, Israel cut a deal with TransJordan to divide Palestine between them. When the Arab armies did finally (and reluctantly) take action, their aim was simply to check the grandiose territorial ambitions of both Israel and TransJordan (the latter, incidentally, had guaranteed not to attack Israel proper – thus crucially contributing to Israel’s eventual victory).

    The 1967 ‘Six Day War’ was very much a war of aggression by Israel – which launched its offensive at the precise moment that Egypt was entering a very promising peace initiative brokered by Washington. A close look at the record of peace diplomacy over the immediate weeks running up to Israel’s June 67 attack makes it crystal clear that Israel had refused each and every one of the initiatives offered by the US and the UN. Make no mistake: Israel badly wanted war – they’d spent the previous 5 years doing everything they could to provoke it. Apart from wanting to give Nassar a bloody nose, Israeli leaders had long coveted the West Bank, East Jerusalem and (to a lesser extent) Gaza.

    1973 was really the most publicly-broadcast build up to a War in history. For two whole years, Egypt had issued warning after warning in order to recover its territory stolen and now increasingly settled by Israel. Not one country in the world, including Israel’s closest ally, the US, condemned Egypt for aggression on this. The consensus was that Egypt had the right under International Law to recover its sovereign territory.

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  2. “It is very difficult to conceive of a situation in which the Israeli Government would agree to empty the Jewish settlements on the West Bank.” / “Right of Return”

    Yeah, unfortunately this is International Law, Chris, (a full withdrawal to the 67 border and a just resolution of the refugee question) Israel doesn’t get some special exemption on this.

    Fortunately, far from the Right of Return remaining non-negotiable in Palestinian eyes (as you’ve suggested), the various Palestinian negotiation teams over the years have been prepared to greatly compromise on what is their legal right. They’ve agreed that the numbers returning would be small and largely symbolic.

    Let’s be clear: there will be no historical settlement in the Middle East unless Israel fully withdraws. Anything less = an on-going Palestinan prison rather than a viable State.

    Israel has always been the Rejectionist party in the so-called ‘Peace Process’ and that’s largely because it has no incentive to obey International Law. It enjoys an almost entirely cost-free Occupation of Palestinian Territory.

    The EU pays the bills in the West Bank, the Palestinian Authority does the dirty work for Israel (providing ‘security’ for their occupiers) and, of course, the US fully protects Israel diplomatically at the UN and other international forums while also providing massive financial and military support.

    Israel gets to have their cake and eat it too.

    Which is why boycotts and sanctions need to be part of the solution. The only way to push Israeli elites (and the wider population) towards fulfilling their obligations under International Law (full withdrawal / Just resolution) is to make the State of Israel pay the price economically and culturally. A brutal, illegal occupation (and defacto Annexation process) that’s been going on for nigh on half a century. It’s utterly insane !

    And it’s more than a little sad when otherwise progressive voices like yours are so compromised by long-demolished Zionist propaganda tracts.

  3. Swordfish says it all…Chris Trotter has yet again lost his way…his dream of being a left wing supporter has yet again been exposed as absolute rubbish…his direct support for Israeli aggression by simply accepting whats done is done.
    Imagine if the world had simply accepted German behaviour up to second world war and the world had allowed the complete destruction of the Jewish race…I can image Chris simply saying…So what!
    The whole world knows that Israel is not a country in modern terms, it is but a prison camp set up by firstly a British Jewish Prime Minister, and later by the United States which gave it the atomic bomb so both Israel and the US could control Middle East oil…US got the oil and Israel got the bomb and the people of Palestine got enslaved. The world got middle east destabilization, dictators including Israel got rich. The US refuses to join up with international law organisations and along with Israel votes against UN resolutions to fix the murderous situation that now exists in Israel and its stolen territory…The latest vile episode is the US accepting mass child killing by Saudi Arabia…remember Hillary Clinton and Saudi Arabia are the best of mates…
    Take a holiday Chris go visit Israel and decide on which side of the wall you’d like to reside…do us all a favour and move to Israel I’m sure they would welcome you with open arms…

  4. Does anyone know which border/s the Zionists will stop at? When enough is enough?

    There are Palestinian people parked up in surrounding countries, in limbo, very similar to the Syrian refugees. Denied decent education and employment, and waiting to go ‘home’. That injustice has to be cleared. Soon. As a separate necessity from the turmoil.

    I agree, Chris. “the sense of being isolated and “persecuted” by individuals, organisations and nation states hell-bent on its destruction has already driven Israeli politics sharply to the right.” It could be far to the left, too, and they’ll still feel threatened. (Being of a mean disposition, I’d put it down to a collective guilty conscience…)

    Sweet Reason is NEVER going to work against existential emotion.

    For me – it’s the bullying, theft, humiliations, and PowerOver plays with these people. Plus all the ‘fundamentalists’ who ‘answer the call’ and turn up on the doorstep wanting more than just a home near the synagogue. Land! Water! Someone else’s vineyards, olive trees, stock and crops!

    I just wish America would give these ‘green the desert’ American Jews a large chunk of their own more arid states and let them play there. Even give them free trips to The Homeland – like trips to Mecca – but keep their rule by gun and ‘righteousness’ where it began, and has yet to cease.

    Of course ‘Right of Return’. But if the Muslims can manage Mecca and still send the pious home at the end of the visit – then the Israelis can do the same with Jerusalem. Pilgrimage, not settlement. Managed, so the scarce resources of land, water, food and fuel, can cover the locals and the visitors.

    Co-existence is probably the best that can be achieved – at least for the next couple of hundred years, at any rate. Or longer, if Drogheda is any indicator of a grudge long-carried.

  5. Unbelievable!
    ” the idealism of the Zionists that led them to Palestine”. Idealism?
    The Zionist intention was and still is,to take over the land and its resources, including water, and expel the natives. Zionism is a crude, vicious, racist political tribal agenda that originated in eastern Europe. As the Israeli journalist Gideon Levy has said, far too many Israelis don’t even accept that Palestinians are human.

    “Idealism of the American Neo-Conservatives that led them to Iraq. “? Is Trotter for real? Is this meant to be some pathetic attempt at satire? So Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Albright, Blair, Bush etc..are idealists?

    No mention of justice in this article. Peace without justice is cruel. His ‘advice’ to the Palestinians seems to be , lie down and die quietly.

    What has driven Israeli politics to the right..is the realisation by Netanyahu and his ilk that they can do whatever they like: steal all the water, demolish houses and whole villages even, use experimental weapons on Gaza, arrest adults and children en masse, shoot fishermen, drive farmers off their ancestral land into tiny isolated ghettos..use sewage water on peaceful demonstrators..anything. And the Western elite will do nothing .

    BDS is a call from Palestinian civil society for people of conscience world-wide to help them in a non-violent way. Such a campaign played a large role in convincing the South Africans eventually, that the apartheid regime was unsustainable.
    The issue is one of morality, of justice.

    1. “What has driven Israeli politics to the right..is the realisation by Netanyahu and his ilk that they can do whatever they like: steal all the water, demolish houses and whole villages even, use experimental weapons on Gaza, arrest adults and children en masse, shoot fishermen, drive farmers off their ancestral land into tiny isolated ghettos..use sewage water on peaceful demonstrators..anything. And the Western elite will do nothing .”
      And so there will never be a resolution.
      There is nothing any idealist or realist can offer that will result in a resolution, until all Palestinians either die out or are finally over run by Israel imperialism.
      Israel has never declared it’s boundaries, so where is any negotiation suppose to even start to be discussed?
      It’s ironic that Zionism seems ideologically so similar to German Nazism and so I doubt many Palestinians would compare their plight to those of Northern Ireland or South Africa.

      However, the BDS Movement, while not particularly successful because the US and Europe will make sure Israel is not harmed by this action, it is something that perhaps gives Palestinians hope.
      God (or who ever) knows they need it.

    2. Typical anti Jewish rhetoric from some who hides behind the anti-Zionist banner.
      The BDS are no better than the Nazi’s that banned the Jews from trading during the time of Nazi Germany.
      Lois Griffiths needs to do intellectually research given the distorted historically views held by this person.
      Israel has been the land of the Jew’s since 1300BC ((Israel & Judah) and will remain Jewish. Its the Arabs that are the invaders and should be pushed back into the Arabian desert where they came from.

  6. Horrifying, but quite right, Chris. It is exactly why a two-state solution will not work. On the other hand the massive re-financing and investment in the Palestinians within a single, unified state, and the demand for universal voting and land rights within that unified state actually has a better chance. Financial prospects usually trump political purity, look at Northern Ireland. It isn’t perfect, it isn’t even pretty, but anyone not looking down the wrong end of the telescope will immediately see it is better.

    In the meanwhile, I would love it if every American were forced to read and understand the implications of that quotation from Jabotinsky.

    The strange American view of Israel, I think, comes from the idea that they single-handedly saved the Jewish nation. It’s part of the American exceptionalism myth. Now they are permanently in the debt of Israel (not the other way round) for making them so proud of themselves.

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