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  1. Jesus. That is a horror show. But the same arseholes that did that at OT will all be protected as that vile organisation closes ranks once again to protect itself.

    I mean it’s hard to tell what’s worse. If it’s sheer incompetence or some type of warped maliciousness that led to all the missing/altered documents. A group so focussed on their own twisted ideology that they’re blind to everything else.

  2. As an organization with a DEI plan, how many of the people who work at Oranga Tamariki are competent and not just employed because of their race, gender or sexuality?

  3. The minister in charge will be loving this as she does not actually give a toss .She is part of a government hell bent on doing nothing that will help anyone other than land lords and money grabbers .

  4. But. but am I a voice of reason? There is nothing wrong with a smack. It is when it is a hit, punch or a thrash that it is a real danger. Sue Bradford decided that something had to be done about violence and a Magistrate let off someone who had thrashed? his son because it said in the bible about controlling the behaviour of children and the anti-smacking law was passed.

    It is OTT and parental violence that needed to be controlled perhaps in annual workshops with parents, who were encouraged to attend by being paid weekly family aid support; would have wiped most of it. But the government doesn’t care about humanity, actual morals in practice, and probably either demand perfect obedience from their own, or are weakly permissive of their own darlings.

    But meanwhile OT or as it really is supposed to be in English:
    Oranga Tamariki (OT), also known as the
    *Ministry for Children and previously the
    *Ministry for Vulnerable Children,
    (On 31 October 2017, it was announced that the ministry
    would be renamed to Oranga Tamariki — Ministry for Children
    Oranga Tamariki is the successor organisation to the
    former Child, Youth and Family (CYF) department,
    which was dissolved down by the
    Fifth National Government in March 2017.)

    …In July 2021, Newsroom reported that several whistleblowers had alleged that several Oranga Tamariki youth justice residences had a “boy’s club” culture among staff, which tolerated violence and restraints against youth residents. The whistleblowers also alleged that residents were sometimes stripped searched and forced to wear suicide gowns.
    There were also allegations that some staff members were unqualified and included former Serco staff who had failed Corrections criteria, who had been hired due to their connections to staff at youth justice residences.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oranga_Tamariki

    And get up to date with what the oldies are on about with their complaints about now:
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/family-welfare/page-5

    When did family benefit start in NZ?
    1926
    Social security and family benefits
    A family benefit for low-income families with three or more children was introduced in 1926, and in 1946 this was extended to all families with children.
    Family welfare – Te Ara Encyclopedia of New Zealand
    Te Ara
    https://teara.govt.nz › family-welfare

    And this is helpful and clear – https://abuseinquiryresponse.govt.nz/for-survivors/state-care-timeline/
    (From 1970 on there seems to be a stepping back from previous civilising laws and methods.)

  5. A fish rots from the head down so I wont expect any change while this government is in charge ,infact I would expect it to get worse or maybe gone complty soon

  6. The abuse carried out by OT AND WINZ was done under both parties time in power so Noone has clean hands on this .subject.Many of the moves were often started with good intentions as few people are inherently evil but then agendas creep in and power politics takes over

  7. OT needs burning to the ground. Hopefully the ‘phoenix’ that arises will put the kids most basic needs ( a safe place to live with food on the table and an expectation to go to school) first. Not holding my breath.

    1. What about setting up something that is a coterie of long-term fosterers and practical, responsible carers as apparently Hen is, as a pilot scheme from the community, in locations where a scheme that covers a local area more than than just one town. Money – there needs to be some – if gummint is going to be interfering and pretending to set standards that they themselves have no intention of meeting – find other sources, local charities or set up one with some astute person with a social side who knows about such things. Pay into a local bank, which will give the odd grant as will local businesses.

      And find retired men and women of goodwill, energy and kindness (people with GEK are the sort needed) who can train young people for a job, perhaps starting them off on learning music (ukelele, guitar?) which requires dedication, sticking at it, Get them to play as a group once a month to a local cafe for money so they have some attribute they can feel proud of, and that rewards them. Next step short apprenticeships so they learn how to stick at a job; help overcome failure, with an approach of ‘Try again mate and overcome whatever, but try harder.’

      Start off with meetings from providers at the coalface in each area, with some thoughtful and practical way forward say to set reasonable goals and practices and operate for a year. The terrible tearaways need calming and soothing first and then find ways to occupy their brains – one to one therapy. I know a system that has proved to be easy and useful and practical. So can be done. Find a way too to slow down their reactions, clear the lightning responses that bring out the knife, fist etc and get into the mind some alternative action/thought -like ‘I need a drink of water, I am too hot’ being a thought to get programmed in. Teach the kids about their subconscious and how it needs to be cared for as it carries all the blows and so on from babyhood up. Get them interested in their own selves and caring for their inner person. New idea or is it already being done?

      I have been talking to someone fully adult who has given up drinking. Looks like he is going to get on – I wonder if we can adopt the word ‘zestful’ to hold as a sort of slogan for what we want to be? The tech thing is a leech taking away your individual ‘go’; opening doors, popping up with useless and trivial info, outright stealing money. even identity, which you thought was safe, and distracting from your purpose, making you sick then selling you panaceas to make you well – pooh, bosh.

  8. “We don’t have that, we have a bureaucracy that is under resourced, making knee jerk reactions with little faith placed in the frontline staff who are having to triage the situation.”

    While I agree with you 100% the worst thing you can do is give these people more money. Rewarding dysfunction is not the answer.

    This story says it all… It should outrage all people of good will.

    https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/04/15/two-wrongs-dont-make-a-right-2/

    As a family we are genuinely open to fostering but as things stand we wouldn’t go near OT.

  9. Eh! look at our youth, who yes some have had a grown up life experience way above their youth and time, yet not to forget, eh greed exploit, is that not and wash, of our education into this our fence of self wealth and being on top.
    What call that.

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