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  1. Cant help but feel Hamas have fufilled the role of useful idiot here, Iran wants to skewer the Israel Saudi deal, Russia will be quite happy that this conflict will take eyes off Ukraine and tie up the yanks and Benjamin Netanyahu personally and his govt were in deep need of a distraction. The cynic in me thinks that Benjamin Netanyahu knew this was coming and let it happen, its very hard to believe the intelligence apperatus got caught with its pants down

    1. Wrong on most points.

      Hamas did it to lead/mobilise opposition to the SA Israel peace deal. Yes it diverts attention from Ukraine. While it places pressure on US capability to supply munitions, the GOP will now end its government shut down to enable aid to Israel (and thus more Ukraine aid is back in play).

      It’s easier to believe they got got complacent, the chance of Netanyahu getting away with complicity (without being exposed by the intelligence elite) is zero.

    2. Yes I think that is true. Netanyahu wants the spotlight off his management of Israel and deciding who will be judges etc. And he knows that this will give him carte blanche by the zionists to bomb indiscriminatly the Palestinians and the world won’t give a F!

  2. Gaza is a 21st century mid East equivalent of the WII Warsaw Ghetto. Penned in, horrific living conditions, and they are told to “evacuate” by Netenyahu as the Israeli military prepares to destroy the place. Gaza residents have no where to go because of the Apartheid state where Palestinian mobility is strictly controlled by pass laws, gates, walls and fences.

    I really do not want to use this term, but Netenyahu may see his final solution here. Nothing less than the destruction of all Palestinians is what the extreme Israelis desire.

    What can NZers do? BDS (Boycott, Divest, Sanction) at the very least, and have your say in the media channels putting the Palestinian view. Pressure politicians to stop looking the other way or toadying to US Imperialism.

    I don’t support the religious side of Hamas or armed violence, but what do you expect after a brutal 75 year occupation.

    1. This began because Arab nations refused to accept a Jewish majority state in the area – Hamas still does not and Iran and its Hizbollah proxy has the same aim, elimination.

      1. People have various takes on this, and some go back to the Balfour Declaration, The Nakba (expulsions and worse of Palestinians in 1948), and others even to biblical times–but what is also known is that a lot of effort has been put into solutions by various nations and negotiators.

        The disapointing thing is that hundreds of UN Resolutions and various summits and agreements have been steadfastly ignored by Israel. If obeyed, Jewish settlements would not have spread, there would have been right of return for exiles, return or compensation for seized homes, and a civilised place for Palestinians in all aspects of life.

        The bottom line is the Israeli State and Military do not want to share–as long as they are a moneyed up and heavily armed US proxy in the mid East.

  3. “No serious commentator is surprised by this attack by Hamas.” Martyn Bradbury.

    Confirming that she is not a serious commentator, Gabrielle McCulloch writes of a surprise assault.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/300985267/live-at-least-1100-killed-in-war-between-israel-and-hamas

    “Israel formally declared war against Hamas, opening the way for a major escalation in fighting, a day after a surprise assault killed at least 600 Israelis.” Gabrielle McCulloch

    What did McCulloch think Hamas was going to do after weeks and months of Israeli escalation?

    Did McCulloch think Hamas was going to sit this one out while more Palestinian homes are being demolished, more Palestinian land is being occupied, and more Palestinians are being killed in Israel’s recent escalation of violence?

    Israel conducts rare drone strike in West Bank, escalating already high tensions
    Barak Ravid
    https://www.axios.com/2023/06/21/west-bank-escalation-jenin-raid-attack-settler-rampage-israel

    Israel launches most intense military operation in West Bank in years; at least 8 Palestinians dead
    https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/palestinians-killed-israel-launches-large-scale-raid-west-100602432

    10 Palestinians killed, 100 hurt in Israel West Bank raid in Nablus, 2000 new settler homes reportedly approved
    AP
    By Aref Tufaha and Josef Federman

    These are only a few of the headlines leading up to the latest violence that serious commentators would have noted. What did McCulloch think was going to happen. Maybe McCulloch simply wasn’t paying attention.

  4. Imagine your living in your neighbourhood and at the end of the street there’s a barbed wire fence keeping you prisoner. There is a nearby beach but you can’t take your boat out to go fishing without being shot at or blown up. The only water and power supply is controlled by a government that keeps randomly turning it on and off. If you want to leave your neighbourhood and pass through the barbed wire fence you are racially profiled and subject to apartheid pass laws. That’s a day-to-day life that would keep you continuously massively pissed off. (That’s without even thinking about your human rights or land rights.)

    Peace In The Middle East.

    1. Imagine having to do that because on leaving the area sans settlements the locals decided to build up a supply of rockets to fire at a state it did not recognise as having a right to exist. And it includes people who come out to take hostages and now to kill civilians wherever it finds them.

      1. Sure. And as one Palestinian said the stage they’re all now at is hostages taking hostages. Peace In The Middle East.

      2. Imagine if Maori had the backers and the weapons to re-take New Zealand. They could offer overseas Maori prime lands in Orakei to re-settle as of their birth right.

    2. So your solution is to indiscriminately gun down young people at a music festival? Being “pissed off” allows you to drag dead civilian bodies through the streets while your mates spit at them?

      Check out the moral equivalence on Joseph…

  5. That chaos here assists Russia, is not reason enough to suspect their involvement. It also assists China too, but … .

    So onto the Iranian regime, it blocks US security guarantees to SA and thus places them in position to secure dominance of the Gulf and then drive Turkey from the north via the Iraq/Syria to secure regional hegemony and thus promote their revolutionary cause by which they continue to subordinate Iranian domestic population and to secure continuance of their leadership.

    They know the interests of Russia and China and their own converge.

    So their political connections and their military intelligence connections to Hamas are relevant.

    So Hamas would have been encouraged to seek solidarity for the Palestinian cause by acting in a way that would provoke Israel to war.

  6. “New Zealand must call for an immediate cessation of all hostilities, the immediate negotiation for the return of hostages” Martyn Bradbury

    Calling on only one side to release its civilian prisoners is meaningless.

    What about the Palestinian unarmed protesters, human rights activists, journalists and Palestinian children in indefinite being held by Israel in indefinite ‘Administrative Detention without trial? What about calling for their return?

    To achieve the return both sets of captives to their families as quickly as possible only an immediate exchange of Hamas’ hostages for the Zionist’s captives, will gain the hostages release. Without such a prisoner exchange, I can’t see this hostage situation being resolved. Ever.

    Hamas have gained a powerful lever to secure the release of Palestinian political prisoners held by Israel. Hamas will never release their Israeli prisoners without Israel agreeing to release Palestinian prisoners in an exchange.

    Israel’s policy of administrative detention, which is to say of military detention without charge or trial, rarely attracts mainstream media coverage in the West. To the extent that it is covered, it is usually only given airtime when individuals engage in a hunger strike in protest of their detention…..
    …..Although Palestinians from the West Bank constitute the overwhelming majority of administrative detainees, it is important to note that Israel also uses the practice on Palestinians who hold residency status in occupied East Jerusalem, and on Palestinians who hold Israeli citizenship….

    This approach of focusing on highly visible and particularly egregious cases risks losing sight of the bigger picture: Israel’s use of administrative detention is a violation of international law and is used by the Israeli authorities as a systematic, foundational, and racialized tool in the suppression of Palestinian political organizing and resistance to occupation….
    …..Administrative detention is most widely used against Palestinians from the West Bank, where the Israeli regional military commander can issue detention orders for up to six months at a time. These orders are renewable, which means that a Palestinian’s detention without trial can be extended indefinitely….
    ….A surge has occurred in 2022 in both the number of administrative detention orders issued by occupation authorities as well as the number of Palestinians being held in administrative detention. By mid-September 2022, Israeli authorities had issued 1,365 detention orders
    I wonder, if we were treated in this way. How would we react?

    The Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Natanyahu has said he will do anything he can to gain the release of the Israelis held by Hamas and return them to their families.

    Netanyahu is a liar.

    Netanyahu’s actions in escalating the crisis by bombing Gaza and killing over 200 Palestinians does nothing to gain the release of the Israelis held by Hamas.

    1. Maybe Hamas should offer for trial those who killed people in their homes or at the dance in return for negotiations over the release of prisoners for all those in Israeli custody not guilty of any crime of violence.

  7. What side is Zelensky on:
    Israel or Palestine?

    Zelensky’s First Statement On Israel-Hamas War After Putin Calls For ‘Independent Palestine’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCyiMFGIsas&t=3s

    I imagine that President Zelenksy like most Western aligned leaders will side with Israel.
    This will strengthen the Kremlin’s narrative amongst the Russian people and soldiers that Zelensky is a puppet of the West, this will endanger the Ukrainian people by strengthening the will of the Russian people to support the war Ukraine.
    On the other hand Zelensky cannot afford to alienate the right wing pro-Israel Republicans in the US who are already against the US giving support to Ukraine.

    The world is in turmoil.
    (Relatively) smaller conflicts continue without any resolution in sight. And as long as they continue they threaten to join up into a much larger conflagration.

    What can New Zealand do?

    One thing we must not do, is take the side of the aggressor in any of these disputes. Otherwise we are just fueling the cycle of violence.

    “In our thousands, in our millions, we are all Palestinians.”

  8. Time to break out the nukes and destroy these terrorist monsters once and for all. Palestinian governments have had decades to come to the table for peace and have rejected every possible opportunity to do so. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. Fuck ‘em!

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