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  1. The USA has never been a democracy. It commenced [in European terms] as a dumping ground for ‘undesirable’ people, taken their by opportunists to work the land on behalf of wealthy people: if you disagreed with the way the authorities were running things you were murdered -often after a torture session. Your best option was to run away from the settlement and live freely or join a local native tribe; that way you were less likely to die of starvation.

    When the white people proved unsuitable as slaves for the rapidly developing plantations, the authorities came up with a grand scheme for abducting people from Africa (or buying them from African slave traders) and carting them under appalling conditions to the slave auctions and then , to the plantations, where they were abused for their entire lives, but allowed to breed to increase the supply of slaves.

    Having exterminated the bulk of the native population and stolen their lands, the people who lived in the states declared themselves to be ‘God’s chosen people’ -thus commenced American exceptionalism. When they disagreed with the British authorities about taxes they revolted and declared themselves to be the ‘land of the free’, with rights, unless you happened to be Negro, Chinese or female etc.

    Once the railroad connected the east and west coasts it was clear who owned America: the rapacious businessmen who hired Pilkington detectives to violently put down any thoughts workers might have had about fair treatment. And once smart lawyers in the late nineteenth century were able to contend that corporations had the same rights as humans and get the courts to agree, the door was open to complete control of American society by bankers, corporations and opportunists. The final battles for democracy were fought and lost in the late 1800s. And once the Federal Reserve (neither federal nor having any reserves) was established under subterfuge in 1913, corporations controlled the money as well as the economy and the politics, and could do more or less as they pleased.

    Despite all the hype about the Civil War, slavery remained legal until 1942 -just operating under a different set of rules, the vagrancy laws. Better to get the Negros into the catering sections of the military. But don’t give them guns.

    It suits the controllers to maintain the myth that America is a democracy, and that people’s votes count; that way the mases can be persuaded to manufacture consent for the banks, corporations and opportunists to carry on looting, polluting and exploiting the populace. And engage in resource wars under the banner of delivering ‘freedom and democracy’.

    There is as much democracy in the US as there is in China -a one party state; Republicans and Democrats are just two sides of the same coin, and take turns at exploiting and misleading the American populace.

    How else could a self-serving liar, exploiter and absolute clown like Trump have got to the White House? other than whoever tells the biggest porkies and has the biggest ‘war chest’ (acquired by exploiting the masses) to buy votes wins.

    Anyone who thinks things might be better under ‘I don’t remember raping any women’ [because I’m semi-senile] Biden is deluded. And “Please don’t mention Ukraine and the fracking business we were hoping to establish there.”

    1. I’d like to be able to comment without making silly errors.

      taken THERE by opportunists to work the land on behalf of wealthy people

    2. It would probably be more correct as a first sentence to say that the USA has never been really religious. The democracy thing came later. The early settlers fled disharmony and seizure and wastage of their assets by whoever reigned in Britain. And then tended to fall into disharmony amongst themselves, with many quickly finding their way to building their own personal assets paying lip service to their chosen religion. Today’s prosperity churches are an overt outcome of this continuing approach. The Constitution was the same attempt to impose order and law on the lawless and domination by the strongest, as we saw here when Maori signed up for Britain to take responsibility here for the behaviour of their unruly people.

      1. There’s this soulless box that everyone is talking around because they’re scared riots might tear there community apart. That box is coming from a long long way away, from Africa and 300 years later Black Lives Matter protesters are being asked “what does smashing up businesses over here” have to do with “George Floyd being public ally lynched over there?”

        That’s the confusion over flowing out of Pandora’s box because no one can comprehend why the death of a black man in America has anything to do with anything in New Zealand because for law and order to be reestablished the narrative has to be manufactured to lie in order to silence the majority.

        What does anyone think black people are being told? Literally black people are being told they are not worth it. People who want peaceful protest, want to ironically hate racism so that no one knows which race is real and which race is racist. What happened to George that day is he locked eyes with everyone and asked what kind of person do you want him to be? and one response is to saturate the nation in teargas and ignore the entire conversation which is an Ancient Greek level of tragedy playing out in front of our wifi.

        So we are urged to make non-choices about civil rights which is the most cowardly part of it all because we get no answer but at the core of it it’s either Racism or not. People just don’t care what’s in the box so they don’t have to learn about the concept of racism and they want black people to be the whitest versions of black people possible. The truth is democracy is not good and it’s exactly like the way Germany became Nazi Germany. I know there’s a lot of theories about democracy being to close to corporate power but these too things can conflict with each other but now there are private business interests trying to reshuffle the cards so that people go oh! We aren’t racist after all, back to work! No more riots, Karen can carry on being hyper vigilant.

        But obviously the barkies are bad narrative is being manufactured to throw the darkies back under the bus. With in the box is the lie that everyone says to each other so they don’t have to take responsibility for the matter. It’s the most non-choice anyone can make because the real choice to make is that one day people will have to choose between whites and blacks, and democracies real responsibility is to the founding fathers who created the capitalist system.

      2. The reason I commenced with the faux democracy aspect is because of Chris wrote this:’The Fragile Promise Of American Democracy.

        The full exposure of the phony nature of religion came later, though many of those thrown out of England (and Holland) or who chose to leave were religious dissenters who saw through the religious inconsistencies and control systems of the times.

    1. There is a strong desire for peaceful protest and all the police has to do is expose that ideology to violence with the express permission of the wealthy few. Reality my dear boy is how much punishment can you take before the other side admits defeat?

  2. Woodrow Wilson was the president during the Red Summer of 1919. The parallels to today are rather striking, but there are differences too (I have been reading up on it a bit after a Guardian article the other day).

    A major cause seems to the Wilson’s inept management of demobilisation after WWI. In particular; Black soldiers, having learnt that they were are as capable of killing and dying as anyone else, were no longer content to be spat-on in the streets (figuratively and literally). This one quote from a McWhirter interview (whose book on those times is frequently cited, but I have not yet read), seems to neatly sum up the preconditions for racial violence:

    “Many unions were prejudiced against letting in black people.”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/time.com/5636454/what-is-red-summer/%3famp=true

  3. Fragile appears in the title of this post and also describes a Gnat unflatteringly in its neighbouring headline.
    Fragile came to mind and I digress on this theme. Sterile was the word not fragile, but still the essence of the discourse ends up the same.

    “This goodly frame, the earth, seems to me a sterile promontory, this most excellent canopy, the air, look you, this brave o’erhanging firmament, this majestical roof fretted with golden fire, why, it appears no other thing to me than a foul and pestilent congregation of vapours.

    What a piece of work is a man! how noble in reason! how infinite in faculty! in form and moving how express and admirable! in action how like an angel! in apprehension how like a god! the beauty of the world! the paragon of animals! And yet, to me, what is this quintessence of dust? ― William Shakespeare, Hamlet https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/46023-this-goodly-frame-the-earth-seems-to-me-a-sterile

    How Hair the Musical dealt with the above in a 2009 remake – a piece of theatre written for today!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qf2R-1saDQ

  4. The only quibble I’d have with this analysis is that the USA obviously has a much deeper and more dangerous well of reaction than most modern European social democracies, their recent anti-immigrant politics notwithstanding. To generalise from the USA to the rest of the world is always a risk. You’d have to go back to the Babylon Berlin era to see actually armed far-right protesters on the streets of German cities, for example. The Americans have always claimed to be an exceptional nation and actually, I think they’re right. But not in any good way, these days.

  5. Reactionaries, conservatives, authoritarians and right wingers generally, prefer muttering into their beverages, or troll accounts, out of direct public view. Whatever actual action they might undertake–the nasty stuff–they hope not to be observed doing let alone called out for or caught!

    They have are emboldened though recently with the ultimate enabler in Trump. Hence armed “open carriers” protesting at state legislatures without sanction. No cop seems to have kneed one of the camo wearing incels in the neck for nine minutes. A friendly wave more like.

    In the USA they have existed long before Bush or Trump as Chris points out. In the current setting Trump never stopped campaigning with his rallies and merch selling after the 2016 campaign. He has millions of supporters. An iceberg of support, but things hopefully have changed with C19 unemployment and the Republicans not delivering practical assistance for the American people. Can the democrats even at this late stage turn leftward without Bernie?–doubtful, but if they don’t America will be a full on failed state.

  6. It seems Kiwis love to project their crimes and moral failures onto Americans. It just goes on and on in a mad circle. – “thou dost protest too much”…. If New Zealanders really stood against overzealous cops or the militarization of the police force, the first thing they would do is demand that Kiwi troops get out of Afghanistan! What did those people ever do to you? If it is okay for your troops to march around there- you know what? It is fine for them to patrol here – all for your protection of course.

    1. You don’t seem to like us Angie. And show as much political understanding as a snail. When lockdown is finished you will be able to return home to a less confused country than ours. We certainly don’t know whether we should be greeting the USA or the Chinese.

  7. The USA has never been a ‘democracy’ as it was established as a Constitutional Republic.
    The ‘democracy’ part is the use of popular voting at many State levels to appoint representatives.
    The election of the President is done by the Electoral College system carefully designed to limit the powers of the larger (more populous) States and NOT by popular vote.

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