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  1. While the USA reigns supreme, no country has truly independent foreign policy, or local policy for that matter. And the US government is merely the primary vehicle of the corporate/ruling class. The best we can do is to stop cheerleading or participating in, their corporate-led, government-enacted shenanigans.

  2. There is more to this story. 
    Jeff Halper, in his book War Against the People (Pluto Press 2015) wrote that the IDF (Israel Defence Force) has a facility in the Negev that is part of the “network of Echelon satellite stations initially set up in the 1960s by the US, Britain , Canada,  Australia and NZ.”
     A  year or so ago, I emailed Nicky Hager to inform him about what Jeff Halper revealed.  Nicky replied  by asking me where I thought Jeff got his information. So I went back to Jeff’s article and this time looked up a footnote.
    The footnote cites : Nicky Hager “Omniscient Ears” Le Monde Diplomatique Sept 4, 2010
    I went to the Le Monde site and sure enough there was an article by Nicky Hager 

    Desert Base listens to the World Talking
    “Israel’s omniscient ears
    Israel’s Urim base in the Negev desert is among the most important and powerful intelligence gathering sites in the world. Yet, until now, its eavesdropping has gone entirely unmentioned”

    Anyway, even without this additional information, I agree with John that NZ should withdraw from military and espionage entanglements . They prevent us from having policies based on freedom and justice for all.”

  3. It’s literally impossible isolating our selves from America or anyone under even basic human rights like to free movement. I mean look at the way Australia closes itself off from New Zealand. I’m not doing it.

  4. I am not into conspiracy but covid has allowed mst governments to get away with taking away freedoms we thought we had .
    It is a lesson to be aware and question authority as a freedom lost can be hard to win back

  5. …”NSO charged $650,000, plus a $500,000 setup fee for the ability to invisibly spy on 10 cell phones”…

    Sorry John , but I can make $700.00 for every bullhide I tan. Maybe not as much but for a country guy, that’s good dosh. Its a slow burner tho, organic things take time. Weeks in fact.

    But here’s where it gets serous;

    …”While we are part of this five-eyes alliance we will NEVER have an independent foreign policy and unfortunately the Labour government is moving us closer to the US and its sabre-rattling around the world. We have become only too willing to call out human rights abuses by the enemies of the US such as China and Russia, which we should be doing anyway, but we have been complicit through silence with human rights abuses committed by the friends of the US such as Israel, Indonesia and India”…

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    And for exactly that reason I believe we should go it alone. We don’t need the underconfident shitters. What we need is an enhanced navy and airforce that is far reaching, with a purely defensive army. We are a maritime nation. Our interests are in the South Pacific. NOT Asia. With an enhanced navy and airforce we could service our fisheries and provide disaster relief thus providing a bulwark against China, and the foreign adventures of the USA. We should be an aggressive trading nation, and that includes the UK, Europe up to and including Russia. Forego free trade deals. Play one off against the other. Do a Sukarno/ Suharto.

    Do as Chris Trotter has said the Chinese have done; pass legislation that requires two MP’s to sit on the foreign corporates boards, [ after 5 years increase that number to 4, another 5 years to 6] We would soon get rid of the leechers and foreign far right capitalists.

    Goodbye Australian banks which siphon off $6 billion dollars each year out of the NZ economy. [$6 billion? – think how many houses that would build !] Free ourselves from these leechers,… and then…,and only then, – would we be ready for self determination and an exclusive foreign policy which excludes the 5 eyes. A social democratic nationalistic govt [ Mickey Savage, Kirk, Muldoon? ] that genuinely looks out for the best interests of the nation and people of New Zealand.

    THAT,… is when we will shed off all these hooks we have allowed to hold us back for the last 36 years of treasonous neo liberalism imported from the UK and the USA. And their Mont Pelerin vampiric masters. Again ,… f@ck em.

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