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  1. A great summary from Mr Trotter here of a classic Jacinda “fudge Sundae”. History can be inconvenient indeed for some when context is added.

    Helen Clark had “jobs Jolt” which restricted where some citizens could live!, Lange was a coward when dealing with Douglas, Norm Kirk over saw Dawn Raids and threatened to “take the bikes from the bikies”-which as per the natzos car crushing-rarely happened.

    The context for Chris here is I guess Don Presland’s personal attack. And a fair response. I am not looking forward to certain Tory commenters reactions though, they will devour this column like a dog returning to a regurgitated dinner!

  2. …And thence to Antarctica in the intrepid footsteps of Ernest Shackleton. It’s called triangulating. Sometimes it requires inconvenient ever-present shadows like Mt Erebus to be ignored in the interests of opportunism, but that’s politics New Zealand today.

    1. There is real danger in groups that once meant something. Groups that enacted genuine courage and foresight, who once presaged something more noble.
      It maybe human nature that once the results of such actions are seen and gratitude and accolades replace radicalism, risk and virulent opposition, such groups inevitably begin to stagnate.

      They come to move in the opposite direction according to the momentum created by the toxic cargo that moral-acclaim engenders; the influx of wannabes, people devoid of moral courage who wish instead to associate themselves virtues they are unable to muster in themselves, and with exploiters who will ride any train that promises personal gain – people who believe in nothing.

      It’s not just Labour. I’ve seen this dynamic repeatedly. Words, names, associations, twisted into fighting against non-pretenders, against the very values that through battle and hardship once birthed new life.

      1. Yes, What+Now, Thank you for saying this. The glib equators also diminish the real work of others utterly oblivious of what they’re doing, and ergo unconcerned about it. They’re our societal destroyers.

  3. I dislike personnal politics but Jacinda has based her whole power play on her smiling way much as John Key did the differents is that one used his lifes skills to move the country forward where as the other is causing the country to flounder. Unfortunately for some Keys way missed them out and they suffered but in the present case all seem to be suffering as shown by wage demands from all sectors teachers university professors health workers firemen the list goes on as more find they cannot met their bills .

    1. You lost me when you.said Key moved the country forward.
      Key was the cosumate ” smiling assassin” and fisherman, why, well he certainly hooked you.

    2. Gee Trevor if anything Ardern is too Key like. He drove the real estate fixation as much as anyone, and can be accused of as much neglect of things like health and infrastructure as anyone. Then went and chaired one of the largest lenders. Key was about Key.

      1. Wheel. ‘Key was about Key,’ and then left whining because he hadn’t been able to change our flag to suit himself, but worse is happening now.

  4. When Carmel Sepuloni, a distant relative, was first an MP and I talked to her about my “disappointment ” with the Roger Douglas led reforms she seemed unaware he had been a Labour Minister. Luckily for her she had family ties in Taranaki and began as a substitute representative for Andrew Little in the area. Purely by chance she latched on to the right coat-tails.

  5. Oh come now. This Labour government is radical, its 3 Waters trojan horse to deliver split control of all water to unelected people identifying as Maori is extremely transformational but not in a good way. The same with the merger of RNZ & TVNZ under the same principles, albeit that attempt to control the airwaves will relegate both to the lowest listenership rungs of broadcasting. And let’s not leave out the secretive He Puapua agenda. I mean if this transformation from a democratically elected system of government to some sort of hybrid non democracy is not radical, I don’t know what is!

    It’s just so weird though isn’t it that not a soul in Labour want to grab the spotlight on those radical subjects. Certainly not Jacinda who knows all about these, intimately, but pretends she doesn’t. Not this orchestras conductor, Willie Jackson, who didn’t even like Labour but saw it as a handy vehicle to implement his master plan.

    The rest of Labours ineffectual plans are a bad joke. As John Minto highlighted yesterday another unannounced achievement has been the sell off of public land as the biggest privatisation of public assets since the halcyon days of the 90’s for reasons only best known to Grant Robertson and our secretive Prime Minister. But in any case they have massively under delivered on their housing promises and have overseen the worst inequity and homelessness this country has seen.

    But as for Jacinda, a used car salesmans salesman. The promises and the sales pitch was first class, world leading, and truly inspiring. But the delivery and the total walk away from her commitments has reduced her brand to the level of junk status.

    And how dare she compare herself to truly great Labour leaders. Even Lange, who even if we look back in regret, brought massive change and not always for the worse.

    The question is, how long can our PM last with the public’s goodwill toward her and her government on empty?

    1. Yes, and actually 3 waters is 5 waters because not only didn’t they listen to submissions against cogovernance, the government just added effective Maori control of geothermal and salt water to 50 km off shore:
      https://theplatform.kiwi/opinions/hey-presto-three-waters-becomes-five-waters
      It’s not about cleaner water, it’s about giving certain chosen Maori control of all water.
      That’s a radical agenda alright, just not one they had the honesty to discuss with the electorate.

      1. Thanks, Keep Calm, for posting a link to my article on Five Waters.
        This is what Ardern will be remembered as — a weak, bombastic leader like David Lange who didn’t fully comprehend what his Cabinet was up to with Rogernomics.
        Ardern doesn’t fully comprehend what Mahuta is up to with Five Waters — although she will soon find out how unpopular it is.
        I have been writing about the binding Te Mana o te Wai statements for six months or more but no one seemed to take much notice when they were just over fresh water. I think most people believed Mahuta when she implied they would only be concerned with the purity of water.
        Extending the reach of TMoTW to the coast / geothermal water, however, makes it pretty clear this isn’t about getting clean drinking water and fixing broken pipes. It’s a massive Treaty settlement.
        People seem to be sitting up and noticing now. And not a moment too soon!
        They will not judge Ardern kindly for its stealthy implementation.

      2. Kcco. It was already inching in, but under government’s hitherto hidden agenda, Caroline Bay, Milford Sound, the jetty to Uncle Percy’s little rural loch, will all be under Maori control.

    2. The TVNZ RNZ merger is to get more documentaries and less MasterChef on our screens. Anyone who opposes it simply just wants more trash on our screens.

    3. Yes seems like radical reform is in fact taking place. Straight out of the Roger Douglas playbook – dont signal it, dont campaign on it, dont talk about it, pass it, fait accompli, then the electorate learns and lives with the dubious consequences.

    4. Good question xray go to the top of the class and write your version of the answer on the greenboard. I’m feeling too deflated after viewing the whole thing.

  6. Kirk’s predecessor, Nordmeyer presided over the notorious 1958 “black budget”. A budget that hit the working men’s “simple pleasures” with a huge increase in taxation on items such as beer and tobacco. Cost them the 1960 election.

    Worth reading the 2001 Nordmeyer lecture delivered by Helen Clark for a more factual acknowledge of the problems faced then and how little the present government did for nine years while in opposition and five years in government, to address the 2001 concerns.

    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/sir-arnold-nordmeyer-lecture

    When reading the speech it does seems like we a running around in a circle not achieving anything. Same problems, same initiatives to right the wrongs but no change in outcomes.

    Clarks speech could easily be delivered by Ardern in 2021 and be factually accurate.

    “The objective is to find the means to fund the decent society for all New Zealanders. The government of which Sir Arnold was part found solutions which worked in their time. Our job is to find a new balance appropriate to the 21st century which secures health and other services of quality and provides long term economic and social security.”

    1. I think you’ll find the 1958 Budget was a response to a Balance of Payments crisis left by the outgoing National Government for the incoming Labour one.

      The measures did, of course, work. Hence the prosperity of the 1960s, which National claimed credit for.

  7. “History has known many great liars. Copernicus, Goebbels,
    St Ralph the Liar, but there have been none quite so
    vile as the Tudor king Henry VII……..Henry also claimed he won the Battle of Bosworth Field and killed Richard III. Again, the truth is very different; for it was Richard, Duke of York, who became king after Bosworth Field, and
    reigned for thirteen glorious years……..As for who really killed Richard III and how the defeated Henry Tudor escaped with his life, all is revealed in this, the first chapter of a history never before told: the history of The Black
    Adder”

  8. New Zealand seems to be settling on a three-term government as the standard model.

    Can the Labour Party refrain from the urge to buck the trend?

  9. ” A party that said “Let’s do this!” – and then did it.”

    What worries me is that they are ‘doing it’, and ‘it’ is all bad.

    1. A party that said ” a brighter future ” and look how bad their 9 years turned out. We are still paying for it.

    1. And wasn’t Max Key’s( son of)comment to a passing cyclist ” real men ride women ” on the money also.

    2. And what happened to Gareth Morgan as soon as he attacked people’s lovely pussy cats, he was a goner never to be seen again in politics. My, we have some real wankers and their wanker comments on here today same old shit just another day in little Aotearoa. Can all you bunch of wankers tell me who you think will be a better PM than Jacinda cause I can’t see anyone suitable yet.

      1. Kiri Allan until she got the ministerial warrant to sit around the cabinet table and drink the coolaid of submission, succumbing to the party line. Unfortunately she is now no better then Ardern.

        Politician do not do succession planning. As we saw with the Shearer, Cunliffe, Little parade before Ardern was anointed.

      2. “Bunch of wankers”? That’s a great way to initiate a conversation.
        Anyway, Labour seem to think Jacinda is the best chance they’ve got, for now anyway.
        I can’t speak for the rest of the “bunch” but plenty of quality candidates for PM in the other parties, it’s hard to know where to start. Luxon, Reti and Goldsmith are head and shoulders above JA, up and coming Willis and Stanford in National. Seymour and Brooke van Veldon for ACT.
        You’re welcome.

  10. Mind you, Lab4 did expand the welfare system, and boosted state housing, and made a big effort to devolve powers and services to iwi, which was undone by Winston Peters after the 1990 election.

    Not all bad.

  11. So after reading your post CT, I am wondering if you have been getting your feet held to the fire by the Woke OVerlords of LINO due to your ‘heresies’ of the last few weeks.

    I salute you!! Keep on talking truth to power. Maybe it might start a movement ….

  12. “There is so much that the Labour Party could learn from its past. So much courage that could be drawn from the men and women who refused to be told that their plans were beyond the scope of practical politics. People who didn’t have to pretend to be radical reformers. A party that said “Let’s do this!” – and then did it.”

    I recall yourself strongly advising against any move to tax CG because the people of your generation would not like it and Labour would lose an election. The same people who do not want any action in accord with New Zealand signing up to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples in 2010. And Article 23 says that Maori should have the right to be actively involved in determining their health, housing and social programmes and as far as possible administer through their own institutions. Something you strongly opposed, as to a Maori Health Authority.

  13. A party that said “Let’s do this!” – and then did it.……..sums up everything that is wrong with politics from all sides of the equation.

    1. Hedlok “ The lord hates liars.” He also forgives those who repent and who vow not to sin again. That’s no reason for us to like deceitful politicians who do not repent, and who get trickier by the day, when we’re not even lords and actually pay the buggers to behave badly.

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