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  1. You gotta worry at the prospect of New Zealand having the capability to blow up nuclear powered submarines in our marine environment. What idiots. Who could possibly win from this?
    Certainly not us.
    Rather than hopping on this spiral of escalation and counter escalation, we would be better to get off it altogether, and become the Switzerland of the South Seas, under a neutral flag while the superpowers and their allies are busy trying to destroy each other.

    1. While I agree entirely with your first point, being neutral requires more than just becoming neutral. You need to be independent and that means you need the ability to defend yourself. Nazi Germany was intending to invade the neutral Switzerland in WWII. But Switzerland places high value on defence systems and training of its entire populace, and would never be an easy target. In addition they are more or less united and prepared to fight for their country. Independence and neutrality are a way of being, not just a whim.
      I can’t see NZ attaining any ability to be independent even with 5% of GDP being spent on defence. We would need every able bodied adult to be prepared to fight and unified in purpose.
      No chance of that happening.

      1. Are you trying to fight a continental land war. You understand that New Zealand is an island nation 2000km from its nearest land mass. Just because you can not imagine an independent military force doesn’t mean New Zealand couldn’t have one fit into a 5% budget. It’s the distance. The reasons Nazi Uboats had so much success naval blockading Britian in WW2 was because they had no sub hunting capability vs 700 uboats. You can’t sneak a blockade in under or across the waves with modern satellites a meagre force of 6 frigates and a handful of sub hunting war planes and fighter jets would smash them right in the face. Then we send in Manawanui for clean up under fighter jet cover. It’s not hard you just can’t be a pussy.

      2. The young have no skin in the game, the old wont let us get a bloody house. Fight for yourselves boomers. We got nothing to lose.

  2. NZs Independent Foreign Policy?

    I didn’t realize we had one! Or is the policy just being inept and supine at every possible occasion.

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