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    1. Can you please come closer to the bottle? Your tears of impotent rage sell for a lot on the free market, you know…

      Though just like oil, I wouldn’t bet too much or center my economy around its sale: the supply is going to remain strong.

  1. So there would be no Greens spokesperson to question the P-8 purchase?

    The armament capability (torpedoes/missiles/bombs) in the P-8s leads to the question, what are the scenarios under which this capability would be used and against whom?
    If the capability is to knock out Chinese submarines in a conflict, then I’d suspect that the Chinese would pretty quickly direct a few missiles or bombs at Ohakea and game over. Or is a comprehensive air defence system next on the bill of fare?

    1. Time and time again prior planning proves to prevent future fuck ups, yet all to often we get planned socialist economies after a Great War.

      History is littered with examples. Sadly.

      Just as an example of the problems faced when talking about this–when I was an instructor, we had units about “resisting peer pressure” mixed in with gender roles in which the “chauvinist guys” was, you guessed it, brought into line by peer pressure.

      The disconnect here is that you don’t have to hate anybody to enjoy killing people. The opposite of rapist isn’t happily married with children; it’s “not a rapist.” There are a lot of good people who are only that way because of the social conditioning (or, if you’d prefer: groupthink) that has told them what is and is not acceptable behavior. Once that goes away, they get to indulge.

  2. Good points Chris,

    Australia is joined to the hip to USA as they boost their allegence all the time.

    And we, under national were stepping into bed with china as the best suitor for our partner.

    So maybe we need to be ‘neutral’ like Switzerland and Holland, sweden/Denmark were in the last war, as a non combatant role?

  3. Those who feel obliged to object that the UN could offer New Zealand only scant protection against foreign aggression, are under a consequential obligation to reveal exactly which nations the UN would be unable to protect us against.

    The UN failed to save Iraq and many other nations from US aggression. In fact, you list a few.

    Throughout its long history, China has never shown the slightest interest in conquering a maritime empire – preferring instead to secure its offshore interests through skilful diplomacy and trade.

    Have you noticed what China is doing in the South China Sea recently?

    If Costa Rica, located in Uncle Sam’s back yard, has been safe from his predations these past 70 years on account of it not presenting a credible military threat to anyone, then why shouldn’t New Zealand anticipate a similar degree of security?

    You’re conflating correlation with causation. I think you’ll find the actual answer lies in this:

    Its economy, once heavily dependent on agriculture, has diversified to include sectors such as finance, corporate services for foreign companies, pharmaceuticals, and ecotourism. Many foreign companies (manufacturing and services) operate in Costa Rica’s free trade zones (FTZ) where they benefit from investment and tax incentives.

    And this:

    Over the years Costa Rica has been able to attract many investors through its tax exemption programs. The tax haven of Costa Rica is popular for incorporating companies. Costa Rica is not known as an offshore jurisdiction since it has no developed offshore sector but was once called the Switzerland of Central America.

    Their catering to the rich USians and so the US sees no need to invade to force them to cater to rich USians.

  4. There is a way forward, a strategy that relies on champions:

    Step 1: work within the current framework to expose our little but currently growing pile of right wing specimens in Government to help break the momentum of fascist method creeping into NZ public life. https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jul/08/madeleine-albright-fascism-is-not-an-ideology-its-a-method-interview-fascism-a-warning

    Step 2: do a ‘Costa Rica’ as proposed. But that requires that a majority of New Zealanders recognise and reject the global creep of fascism by composting our little piles of right wing specimen inside Government. https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-trial-runs-for-fascism-are-in-full-flow-1.3543375

    Thank you GOLRIZ GHARAMAN

  5. Hmmm pacifist NZ lol cant see it wont support it. Our little country is a jewel in pacific why do you think folks form overseas want a piece of it, why are we exporting water all over the world? because the rest of the world is in melt down, i say tool up, expand our forces, make our own defense supply industries, kiwi drones, kiwi warships, kiwi bullets. Protect our country from hungry eyes. And stop sending your young ones overseas to fight for some elses financial gains. Protect our country, protect our people, protect our resources, employ our population

  6. The Greens have left behind their radical roots to gain broader support. Pacifism doesn’t not go down well with most people, indeed it was always the biggest problem I had with voting for the Greens.

    Anyway the Kawasaki P-1 should have been the aircraft that was selected, it is far more suitable, and cheaper too.

    1. Any one with a jap import will know japanese radios work on a different frequency shifting 10-20Mhz to receive all NZ communications. Across Army, Navy and Airforce data links this transition is no small thing. Of course it would be ralitivly simple to engineer a cheap bandwidth converter but at this late stage I don’t see any moves in this direction. And having to engines in the P-8A is vastly more cheap, efficient and easier to maintain than a 4 engine P-1. Not sure about that suitability and cheapness.

      1. Any one with a jap import will know japanese radios work on a different frequency shifting 10-20Mhz to receive all NZ communications.

        It’s not the frequency that’s the issue – it’s the encryption that’s the problem and one that the US probably doesn’t make available to anyone outside of their own manufacturing.

        1. Tactical radios and technology are fairly straight forward. They’re just plug ins basically, you’ve got C14-C5 (your classic kettle plug thingy) to USB, AUX, all sorts. And as for increption, anyone with a powerful enough emission can spoof a P-8A or even an Arleigh Burk Destroyer. So these things are built to be redundant hence the giant wall of plugs and wires through out the fuselage costing $800mln approx. P8s don’t just speak to our C2 coms array they are adaptable to the U.S, Australian, Norway ect. You just plug and play mate. Not so with P1. It is what it is. It’s hardly a funeral.

  7. Its an interesting idea and one that also begs the question with our patent inability to defend our country and resources from any serious attack with our current military how confident are we that any assistance would eventuate or if it did it would be in a form we desired?

  8. “The closest Costa Rica comes to a military formation is its Special Intervention Unit of 70 highly-trained commandos who operate under civilian command and are tasked with protecting their fellow citizens from heavily-armed drug lords and terrorists.”

    Now – who trains them?

    With the planes – who do they liaise with as they work in a body of water relatively close to many countries? Who provides the spares and the maintenance? Local? Europe? North American countries?

    And just who do the Greens want to see turn up as a moderating force in places such as the Solomons and East Timor? Not the environmentally and socially disastrous US? Or the Aussies with their gung ho manners? Maybe Snoopy and the Sopwith..?

    There are greys in the Costa Rica solution. How about we work on the Greens instead?

    What ideas have they got for equivalent employment for the many people attracted to, and benefitted by, our Defence Force system? (What’s left of it after good old National did their best to gut all three.) Less hazard to the community that drunks in high-powered cars.

    How would they protect the south?

    How much would they allocate for strong aid in the Pacific? It’s needed. Look at the earthquake aftermath in Papua New Guinea. Kum by ya is not yet the solution.

    As a past refugee – what sort of people did Ms Golriz prefer to have protecting her family? And is there a match with our Defence personnel (many top brass excluded)?

  9. I would love to know how NZ protects its interests (including green ones) against possibly hostile geopolitical actors (including Australia, very likely).

    NZ is available to be raped by any passing geopolitical thug. Thank you NO!

  10. No more a paradox than Chris Trotter campaigning for free speech for fascists.
    Chinese diplomacy? Ask the Tibetans, the Taiwanese or the Vietnamese about benign Chinese diplomacy.
    Arbitrarily deciding maritime nations are safe is naive, Look to the Spratly Islands and look at current aircraft carrier construction.
    If China has not been projecting naval power, it is now.

  11. NZ INC are too damned western centric, and with that US centric, to ever consider such a Costa Rica solution. The people are solidly BRAINWASHED into commercialism US style, they love their Macca burgers, Starbuck’s coffee, KFC, Burger King and all the rest of the SHIT, they are addicted to a lifestyle and social and economic order, they are incapable, in their majority, to see the light.

    This country is screwed, fully screwed, they cannot even agree on banning one way plastic bags, full stop. This shows how idiotic and useless NZ Inc is, it is controlled by certain powers, to which the population is totally cowardly and also dependent, to not stand up against.

    This is a damning situation, NZ Inc is in a shameful state of affairs.

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