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  1. Classic case of – we’ve got the solution, now what was the problem?

    1. Classic case of someone in charge of this plan who obviously doesn’t understand how to make a rail notwork ‘complete so it can be used at a “multi-modal” network’ by using the whole NZ rail network to offer to local rail service users a wider range of rail travel.

      Most important is that when more use of the wider rail network is used by placing local travelers on the mainline the income delivered by the ‘increased track charge’ generated is paid back to Kiwi rail to fund track improvements and higher maintenance to it’s network also!!!!!

      So it is a win-win every time!! – so wake up Government, this is “common sense”.

  2. +10000 %

    It is completely crazy in the middle of at transport crisis that has been created by the zealous crazies in charge building loads of million dollar houses around areas like Kumeu without opening up the train line and arranging where people using it, will park.

    Basically Auckland has been hijacked by lobbyists who have numerous ways to get their money by ‘plans’ for new transport which co incidentally often have the same set of beneficiaries cheerleading the new infrastructure. Funny enough nobody seems to keen to cheer on the old infrastructure that is already there and weirdly not being used, not enough money in that, for the blood suckers at public teat, obviously.

    It is not just about not using the existing train line, it is also about providing a service on the commute. You are not going to get people out of a car when public transport takes twice as long as a car, is expensive, doesn’t link up and is full of stress with train changes.

    Look at normal countries like UK and Europe. You get on a train, they go every 20 minutes, they have coffee and snacks on board, you get to your destination radically faster than if you were to go by car.

    In NZ, it is the opposite, public transport takes between 100 to 500% longer than a car, even on short journeys. They also don’t have enough journey’s going and so you are expected to plan your entire work day or event around the scant options available which is not viable for most people. Using public transport is not comfortable and your lose productivity, whereas correctly designed it should be the opposite. Nobody should be changing a train from Kumeu to CBD – if they do that, few people are going to want to use it.

    Not only that, areas like Helensville are on the same train line, and many people have moved there for cheaper prices. Time to get that entire line moving and do it right for a change. Not like housing have the prime objective to suck out public money on new builds while making transport difficult for years if not decades.

    1. “Look at normal countries like UK and Europe. You get on a train, they go every 20 minutes, they have coffee and snacks on board, you get to your destination radically faster than if you were to go by car. ”

      I agree with most of your comment, and I like that bit just quoted. Sometimes I wonder about the people running the show in Aotearoa NZ, aka Sleepy Hobbit Land.

  3. I don’t think it’s necessary to posit conspiracy theories about other public transport lobby groups when there is a simpler explanation. Public transport has been so under-prioritized in Tamaki Makaurau for so long, that any hint of progress is seized on as the return of the Messiah, even if it’s far from ideal, and corrupted by conflicts of interest.

    One thing I’ve never been able to understand is why more use isn’t made of Aucklands waterways as public transport corridors. The isthmus is so narrow in places that in pre-European times mana whenua used to carry their waka between the harbours, and this narrow point just happens to be where the airport is now. Why not have a network of small, fast, frequent ferries running up and down each coast, linking with existing bus and rail networks at critical nodes? This would be a convenient and scenic way to move travellers between the city and the airport without building any new rail infrastructure. Services could be easily scaled up and down to meet demand by adding more sailings and, if necessary, putting more ferries in service. Ideally the ferries would all be electric or run on some other renewably generated energy source.

    Two major advantages of this over either light *or* heavy rail for an airport to city link:
    * the service could adapt to sea level rise much more easily than coastal roads or rail, as long as the jetties and other shoreside infrastructure is build with this in mind, and would interfere much less with the coastal environment then building more of either.
    * the airport will decline in importance as a destination as global oil availability declines. Any major investment in rail connecting city and airport might seem like a white elephant in 20 years time, and almost definitely in 50 (unless renewably powered planes become viable within that timeframe, which seems unlikely at present).

    The only argument against this anyone has ever been unable to come up with is that the ferries may be prevented from running in heavy weather. That’s true, but it’s also true that a lot of people choose not to travel at all in heavy weather if they don’t have to. Besides, how often many days a year does Tamaki Makaurau get weather bad enough that the existing ferries can’t run? Yes, on those days, people who would normally travel by ferry would be crammed back onto the roads and bus and train services, but is that really an argument against the pressure taken off that infrastructure on the vast majority of other days?

    1. Exactly use the ferries more! The only scenario that concerns me about more ferry use is the pollution aspect but hopefully there are non polluting ocean ferries option’s available!

      My feeling is that AT and NZTA seem to want to divert the money to as many non core scenarios and their own paper plans and endless consultants and rather than just allocate money straight away for more services whether ferry, bus or trains.

      They ain’t getting anyone out of a car until they make their public transport service better than a car, that means quicker than a car, cheaper than a car and as comfortable and convenient as a car!

      AT and NZTA don’t even understand the basics sadly. So their main device is to try to charge people out of a car and make money which they like to spend on their own musings and salaries, rather than concentrate on luring people onto convenient well run public transport (which they currently in most cases don’t provide).

  4. Someone was also saying that they make people change from Kumeu out Swanson way to get to the CBD because they didn’t plan enough train tracks into Britomart or wherever they go!

    Typical stupidity, they build a railway station at Britomart at great cost but forget to plan for lots of trains in the excitement of blowing loads of public money on a giant train station (that doesn’t have many train tracks going into or out of it).

    As usual in NZ the concerns of building real estate seem to be more important and at the top of any decision making tree in both local and central government than the end result working properly.

    For most people train stations are about the amount of trains you can get in and out simultaneously. But nope in NZ, it seems to be how much money can be spent on the construction and appearance of a train station at the expense of planning enough actual train journeys themselves.

    And of course the use the cheapest materials possible…. with the cheapest labour probably heavily subcontracted out so that the end worker is probably on minimum wages and unskilled, safety and longevity someone else’s problem..

    Faulty Chinese steel thought to be behind Britomart train derailment
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/05/faulty-chinese-steel-thought-to-be-behind-britomart-train-derailment.html

    But wait, lets just keep making the same mistakes…

    1. “As usual in NZ the concerns of building real estate seem to be more important and at the top of any decision making tree in both local and central government than the end result working properly. ”

      So true!

  5. Good considerations, arguments and a good post altogether! Light rails is only good in parts of central Auckland and inner suburbs and overrated otherwise.

  6. This is a load of bitter sensationalist claptrap. What do you think you’re going to achieve by pissing in the cornflakes of every other West Auckland transport user?

    “a hypothetical, uncosted, light rail service that no-one really believes will reach Kumeu any time soon” – Really? Change light rail for diesel shuttle and it fits perfectly. Stop wasting everyone’s time with this sabotage campaign and do some real work to establish what is actually possible, how to do it and what it will cost.

    If these bilious attacks result in the rest of us losing our chance at the biggest public transport advance in a century, Trains to Huapai campaigners had better get out of dodge pdq, because a LOT of people are going to know who and why.

    1. The rail line is already there in Kumeu and to Helensville, nobodies trying to cut off unbuilt light rail in other areas but it’s going to take years to build and cost billions, they should be using existing rail way lines that will create the quickest journeys to those commuters and then add more public transport on yet to be built!

    2. Te ATADUDE

      You are so blinded by light rail that you are ignoring an obvious and relatively cheap solution that already exists. And abusing anyone who has a different view to you.

      The rail line to Kumeu (and to Helensville) could be upgraded to electric at a relatively cheap cost compared to a completely new light rail line, and it could happen within three years. Light rail all the way out to the west will be at least 10 years away.

      Realistically light rail will happen to some extent, but it is not the only solution. And it may not happen to nearly the extent that its promoters think. Not unless the current government lasts at least three terms. A different govt will put the cost benefit ratio of light rail under a very sharp analysis.

    3. My guess is Te Tatadude is a “greater auckland” nobody judging by his rant and threats. They are a nasty bunch of nerds.

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