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  1. Legal booze has been available for ever but illegal home made liquor has still been in demand so legal marajuana will not cut out the illegal market. There will always be people who want a bigger hit or will try another way to escape life if only for a short time.

  2. Synthetic cannabis may not of made it into NZ if it wasn’t legalised under key’s government. Then they drove it underground when they realised it was potently dangerous stuff. I never recall a referendum on legalising synthetic so why can’t the government just legalise the natural stuff without a referendum like how they did with synthetics?

  3. This from a couple of months back has some interesting details, and isn’t too technical:

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30204-2/fulltext

    Standout for me is that 43% (of tested fatalities) had FPP as well as Fub in their systems. Which used to be in party/ weight-loss pills. That suggests that the illegal drug market may not be the best for quality control &truthful product labelling. Though not a surprise, still useful information.

    Also striking, is the number of those on anti-psychotics. And 88% of deaths were with; male, had caffeine, or tobacco in their systems – but that seems more percentage coincidence. 67% being Maori (with a further 16% Pasifika) not so much.

  4. There is nothing quite like the misinformation that follows cannabis legalisation.

    Synthetics are not and have never been synthetic cannabis. They are a drug smoked and sometimes coloured green is about all they have in common. It’s for people who feel the need to anaesthetize themselves from their ordinary existence, just like every other shitty drug from alcohol to meth.

    The effect is way different to cannabis and so it is in a segment all on its own in the drug-using communities world. The effect is quite addictive and despite the fact it kills depending on the batch, users carry on regardless. Darwinism at its worst.

    Therefore this shit has a market and it would have had a market if cannabis was legal or not. Someone saw an opportunity to make money and they took it. And for a while, it had either no legal status or it was legal. Its effects and the near-impossible mission of regulating recreational drugs (because you can add what you like until the regulator, who is always in catch up mode, intervenes) meant no politician was going to vote to keep it legal. And if there was a so-called ideal active ingredient content there is absolutely nothing that will stop the criminal fraternity such as gangs selling an alternative and undercutting the real thing, GST free too!.

    Which brings us to another point. Alcohol, (and I am no proponent of it either), is regulated by an accurate percentage of alcohol per volume unless it is hill billy, but I cannot think of any other recreational drug that won’t be fucked around with to have any strength you care to name and equally as impossible to label and as impossible to regulate. Just like this Fubinaca crap!

  5. While we have these religious nut jobs doing a con job on the electorate then we are going to be denied what is rightfully ours to use the cannabis plant for whatever ffn purpose we choose to use it. Yet, they are allowed to market their RTD booze to our kids, ply spirits, wine and beer as an acceptable form of inebriation(only), corporatization of our food ecosystem (unsustainable food prod), destroying rivers and land the list goes on but you get my drift. If they had any ffn imagination they would realize that the cannabis plant is our way out of the economic shit storm about to hit. We could be growing green gold and selling it to the Americans given this is happening. https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300117525/residents-of-marijuanagrowing-area-in-the-us-refuse-to-evacuate-despite-giant-wildfire.

  6. And if the referendum fails how many more young lives will be destroyed because corrupt politicians haven’t got the balls to own up to being sucked in by fake news promoted by businessmen seeking to remove a threat to their destroying the planet for profit.
    Where is the regulation and control around kava.
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1444-0903.2003.00405.x
    If it was about health surely there would be regulation here.
    But no the kindness queen would rather ruin lives than than acknowledge reality and jeopardize her income.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ebz9OuYLL0&t=23s

  7. Winemakers who adulterate their product get big fines: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/rural/2020/03/big-fines-and-home-detention-in-wine-fraud-case.html
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/109248443/yealands-estate-peter-yealands-and-top-former-staff-convicted-of-falsifying-export-certificates
    It is time the same law was applied to drug manufacturers ie. pharmaceutical companies who are seen to be producing far more lethal product.
    Media which misrepresent the facts are not helping..people are dying.

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