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  1. Basic problem with the world population is that the volume of wealth held on this planet is not large enough to deliver sufficient, (and most importantly) continuing prosperity to the 8 billion.

    Cut the cake into 8 billion slices and poverty will still be prevalent. There are 6 billion too many humans and planet earth is reacting like she will always do. Kill the parasite. No matter what climate action the naive humans take to try and “control” planet earth. There will be only one winner.

    The question of who has the power is mute. For as soon as the flow of power changes new cliques will form to naively try and control the flow of power. Give power to the families and another Putin will rise to lead a mafia like “family”.

    Humans have a need to be controlled (or ruled) by a matriarchy or patriarchy leader. This is why New Zealander’s love Ardern (we do dont we?).

    We give power away easily’ to be led. Why communism and communes don’t work. For they are soon corralled by the “leaders” to morph away, from the peoples collective, their perceived independence.

    So called “Western” democracies are no better. Ruled by elites whom the people pretend to elect but actually have no control over (think 5 waters). Why do our “elected” leaders need to belong and listen to the WEF?

  2. I agree with the authors sentiments on progressive initiatives for women and children and I’m also sympathetic to their antagonism to the perpetual growth model. However they have completely failed to comment on the current state of demographics, especially in developed countries.

    As Hans Rosling pointed out about a decade ago, improving health, wealth and women’s education tends to lead to family size decline. Indeed in the developed world, industrialisation and urbanisation has been so successful in achieving this (as a side effect) that most developed nations are well below replacement rate, with the consequence of ageing populations to be followed by declining populations (without significant immigration).

    Russia’s population has been decimated in the last century. two world wars, urbanisation, economic stagnation and then a collapse of the Soviet Union which halved the birthrate and doubled the death rate. Now tens of thousands of young men are being fed into the meat grinder of War in Ukraine. Russia is facing a demographic bomb, Putin’s push is not for perpetual growth it is for Russia’s continued existence.

    China too, due to the one child policy and despite changes in law to allow 2 and then 3 children per family, larger families even if desired, are unaffordable to most especially urban centres. Whatever reactive policies and incentives the CCP rolls out is too little too late. Whoever thinks the CCP plans long term is not paying attention.

    The West is also in trouble, South Korea, Japan and most of Europe are facing the similar problems due low birthrates. The decline will not be linear it will be precipitous.

    That is not to carry water for Putin, Orban, Khamenei or even Musk, except to note that it is completely disingenuous to lump them together. Their motivations and rationale and objectives are different. I’m not even saying that our societies ‘should’ have more children. I am pointing out that the author’s anxiety is completely misplaced as demographic decline and a post-growth world is already baked in for developed nations.

    ‘Global’ population may continue to grow, the slight of hand in this discussion is around developed/industrialised nations vs rest of the world. As Bjørn Lomborg and other have pointed out the way to get global population under control is to lift families out of poverty and educate women. I have little confidence this will happen. The best and brightest of poorer nations will migrate to the developed world thus buffering population decline there. In addition geopolitical tensions, the break down of neoliberal economics, rising cost of capital with consequent conflict, disruption of trade routes, food and fertiliser supply compounded by localised corruption etc is likely to lead to famine for tens if not hundreds of millions in the next few years. Poorer nations will bear the brunt.

    As for the core of author’s anti-growth argument. This is the paradox of solved problems. We do not need to “unlearn that lie and reverse the flow.” it’s coming whether we like it or not. Now (for developed nations) is the time to figure out how to adapt to ageing populations and a post-growth world.

  3. The climate crisis is not driven by population but by capitalism.
    Marx said of ‘population’ in the Grundrisse:

    (3) The Method of Political Economy
    When we consider a given country politico-economically, we begin with its population, its distribution among classes, town, country, the coast, the different branches of production, export and import, annual production and consumption, commodity prices etc.

    It seems to be correct to begin with the real and the concrete, with the real precondition, thus to begin, in economics, with e.g. the population, which is the foundation and the subject of the entire social act of production. However, on closer examination this proves false. The population is an abstraction if I leave out, for example, the classes of which it is composed. These classes in turn are an empty phrase if I am not familiar with the elements on which they rest. E.g. wage labour, capital, etc. These latter in turn presuppose exchange, division of labour, prices, etc. For example, capital is nothing without wage labour, without value, money, price etc. Thus, if I were to begin with the population, this would be a chaotic conception [Vorstellung] of the whole, and I would then, by means of further determination, move analytically towards ever more simple concepts [Begriff], from the imagined concrete towards ever thinner abstractions until I had arrived at the simplest determinations. From there the journey would have to be retraced until I had finally arrived at the population again, but this time not as the chaotic conception of a whole, but as a rich totality of many determinations and relations.
    https://www.marxists.org/subject/dialectics/marx-engels/grundisse.htm

    1. DB, keep it simple. Consumerism is driven by population (demand) and manipulation (marketing).

  4. I vaguely recall a study some years ago that had been conducted back in the 1970’s which had concluded that the world could comfortably contain between fifteen billion people and twenty-two billion people. Although, this is without, I gather, the pressures of climate change which we are experiencing today. So we could probably therefore have a cap of around ten billion people to twelve billion people on our global population.

    I believe in contraceptive measures and in the right of women to choose abortion but I do believe that in many countries, especially western countries, there is a surplus of couples who are willing to adopt, and I also believe that this option isn’t being promoted enough, especially not when compared to abortion.

    We have millions of displaced people, homeless people, starving people, including babies, toddlers & children in this world who could take up refugee status and become immigrants and yet how often does that happen these days? Children are dying in impoverished countries because of the selfishness of their governments and also the governments in Western countries, of whom are NOT working together, NOT keeping the door of immigration open, and NOT pushing for adoption. The attitude is like adoption was a fad back in the 2000’s and not a serious option in 2022.

  5. UI like to know a bit about people putting their ideas forward. Are they famous in their own backyard for….? So:
    Carter Dillard
    Animal Law Conference ·
    https://www.animallawconference.org › …
    Carter is the founder of the organization Having Kids, which has developed a human rights-based, child-centric and “zero baseline” family planning model with ..

    Kids and Animals – nice. I found myself wishing I was a cat yesterday. Is that wrong?

  6. Re “democracy”

    Any alleged expert who talks about democracies AS IF a real democracy ACTUALLY EXISTS ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD (or has existed at any time) is evidently living mindlessly and blindly in the propaganda world fed to them since a kid and/or is part of the (unconscious, ignorant, naive, willful) crowd who disseminates this total lie — see “The 2 Married Pink Elephants In The Historical Room” … https://www.rolf-hefti.com/covid-19-coronavirus.html

    “All experts serve the state and the media and only in that way do they achieve their status. Every expert follows his master, for all former possibilities for independence have been gradually reduced to nil by present society’s mode of organization. The most useful expert, of course, is the one who can lie. With their different motives, those who need experts are falsifiers and fools. Whenever individuals lose the capacity to see things for themselves, the expert is there to offer an absolute reassurance.” —Guy Debord

    Isn’t it about time for anyone to wake up to the ULTIMATE DEPTH of the human rabbit hole — rather than remain blissfully willfully ignorant in a fantasy land and play victim like a little child?

    “Separate what you know from what you THINK you know.” — Unknown

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