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  1. First of all, this is the first conviction for terrorism in New Zealand’s history so no one has ever experienced terrorism of a kind. But even people who have like Mr Paul Buchannon could never agree that knowledge of the timeline is anything more than propositional attitudes. Even though what Tarrant did was wrong it’s now an established document that blesses everyone with an established way of talking about terrorism it just can’t be, I mean if this whole thing was conducted in another language a lot of these attitudes simply wouldn’t arise.

    In many other language’s people simply don’t say and wouldn’t say Brenton Tarrant knew what he was doing was wrong. In New Zealand, our desire to know, happens in a very broad sense and now we are asked to go beyond the court’s ruling in this case and beyond the technical usage but this is not the way this knowledge was used.

    Words like “scum of the earth, trash, buried in a landfill, wasting taxpayers money, my 72-year-old father will break you in half if you challenge him to a fight,” these are the words that will haunt Brenton Tarrant until he repents for his sins.

  2. “AT WHAT POINT in time does an atrocity have a beginning?….”

    Made in Australia

    Australia has been forcing us to take their convicts for years.
    Most of them arrive here leaving, jobs, families and all their usual networks of support behind them in Australia. Dumped in New Zealand, a country that many of them have no memory of, or immediate family to turn to, they often need government support, or return to crime just to survive putting further cost on this country.
    The total cost of their support has been borne by the New Zealand taxpayer.
    Australia has never offered New Zealand 1 cent toward the cost of the deportees they have dumped here.
    We should stop accepting these deportees until Australia agrees to pay at least half the cost of this Australian terrorist’s incarceration.

    1. It is not just NZ prisoners returned they send all of them back to country of birth if they have not become Australians. This is very popular over there and both parties endorse it so it is unlikely to change. They are NZ people with a NZ passport so we cannot refuse t o take them. The are 1100 NZ in Australian prisons so expect this to go on for awhile .It is a pity we do not do the same to or criminals

    2. “Made in Australia” is a convenient cop out for the made in NZ Islamophobic race baiting that we have and do ,,,, feeding and affirming poisoned minds/.

      Some Examples are ” Jihadi brides ” which is shorthand for female Muslim terrorists …

      John Key and the media were always wanking on about ‘ masses of boat people’ heading for NZ ,,, which was invasion fearmongering ,,, and 99% bullshit.

      Right wingers in NZ were / are pushing speakers who share the exact same ” Great Replacement ” / white genocide / anti miscegenation beliefs as Brenton Tarrant ,, specifically Laura Southern https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/07/19/12/4E3A911D00000578-5970353-image-a-34_1532000926138.jpg

      And written on the killers weapon is a specific shout out to the national party ,,, feedback to their invasion fearmongering https://globalnews.ca/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/brentontarrant3-e1552660176875.png

      14 “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children”,

  3. No not the face of a madman, just a disturbed young man really. Terribly sad the whole thing, including the remaining of his life. I am not a fan of lock em up forever.

    What I have always wanted to know is the cop who allowed him to have a licence without the appropriate checks and balances still a cop. If so why?

    It really worries me that the cops never seem to take the fall for the f-ups they make. And this one was appalling.

  4. Such courage she is the one that deserves real respect:
    She stated she had “no hate for him” as a person, that she forgave him. Tarrant acknowledge

    I really disagree with this sort of language:
    addressed Tarrant as a ‘maggot’. Another, that Tarrant was nothing but “rotten meat” to him

    The man is a human being and a product of society.
    He has pretty serious mental health issues.

    And where the hell were our security services… honestly all the dosh they get.

    1. In a functioning liberal democracy, thought is not policed to that degree especially when no one is exaggerating. New Zealand borrowed about 8x whatever the economy was to overcome WW2 and we probably won’t need that much to overcome the challenges that face us today but we do need that mentality to overcome these short term crises. Tarrant may not disrupt society to the extent coronavirus has today, if we try to develop a society that penalises free speech then perhaps we will disrupt society to the extent that Tarrant imagined. So just let it go.

  5. Racism and religious intolerance are ‘alive and well’ around the world, and as economic and social conditions continue to get worse (be made worse by governments) and people look for scapegoats, we should expect to see more reports like this from previously-socially-cohesive-and-tolerant Sweden, and other nations.

    ‘A wave of chaotic unrest broke out in Malmo, Sweden after anti-Islam activists filmed a public Koran burning, sparking protests that soon descended into riots, with unruly demonstrators setting fires and clashing with police.
    Some 300 people gathered along a main thoroughfare in Malmo on Friday around 7:30pm local time to protest after members of a far-right political party staged a Koran burning earlier in the day, according to local press reports. As the crowd grew, fires were ignited in the street and several cars torched, prompting a heavy police response that struggled to bring the situation under control.

    “We have ongoing and violent riots right now that we have no control over,” police spokesman Rickard Lundqvist told a local news outlet amid the disorder.’

    https://www.rt.com/news/499381-malmo-riots-koran-burning/

  6. Send back this shell, why it!s our land the crime done, his life is jailed for the length of his being and cost equivalent, of our justice, or some may think injustice take your pick of what mindset.
    More relevant, are is those you call shells, those imprisoned – at this time, with looking for release are those shells being released these shells without any care of past rehab. Who these shells released with money enough for a good night out and then left forgot as employers require a Police check FOR MOST IF NOT ALL JOBS.

  7. The curtain has dropped on the characterless creature responsible for the Christchurch Mosque massacres, but still there lingers Voltaire; “It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished, unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.”
    Most victims of this atrocity were/are here in New Zealand, and so were in those places on that terrible day, because, as refugees, they had fled here from homelands destroyed in military actions many times worse than Christchurch, and which, in some cases, we participated.
    Even the RNZAF Hercules which ferried the killer to and from his sentencing, quite possibly ferried New Zealand troops to some of the lands from which the victims of the Christchurch massacres have fled.
    But nobody wants to talk about that.

    1. NZ fighting USA sponsored wars.
      Helen Clark – reconstruction excuse but SAS were really in combat replacing Americans, We were effectively lied to.
      Jonkey put SAS directly into an aggressive role killing natives. He also involved us under NATO, a cabal NZ was not a member of.
      Who is it that controls our MPs to sacrifice lives and blood for USA adventurism.
      These illegal wars create carnage of unbelievable proportion. Refugees have to flee fron USA generated horror.
      The refugee’s religion is of no consequence but division and hatred generated by USA officialdom as a pretext for war lives on in the feeble minds of many.

      It is a long time since I have read a front page article in NZ calling for world peace. Our MSM is compliant with US directed policies in the murky world of CIA and SIS activity.

  8. Kia ora Malcolm Evans
    To me there is something unsettling about the way in which New Zealand has managed the aftermath of the Al Nor massacre. The question of “How and why did this happen” has not been addressed at all. A Norwegian journalist has commented that the background to the atrocity has been “dimly lit”. That is an understatement. The full story has been concealed under a government sanctioned media blackout and a trial in which rigorous measures were taken to keep the defendant silent throughout.
    Contrast that with the way in which the State of Israel tried Adolf Eichmann, and Hannah Arendt was able to analyze the political, social and psychological factors which turned Eichmann into a mass killer.
    By comparison, with all respect to the victims and survivors of the massacre, the Realm of New Zealand has delivered no more than a show trial. Israel exposed the fascist ideology for what it is. New Zealand has sought to ban any examination of Tarrant’s political theories or associations, and for one very obvious reason: that his beliefs are so closely aligned with the ideology of the Five Eyes alliance.
    This approach has led to some bizarre incongruities. Because the New Zealand government has decreed that Tarrant’s name should not be mentioned, he is routinely referred to as “the mosque gunman” or “the mosque terrorist” which has the effect of cementing the association between Islam and violence in the nation’s subconscious. To their credit, some in the media attempted to avoid such an association by labeling him as “the Australian terrorist”, but while well-intended that also has the unfortunate (and politically unforgivable) consequence of associating Australia with terrorism. So, to most of the media he remains “the mosque terrorist”.
    Brenton Tarrant should always have been plain Brenton Tarrant. It should always have been clear that the actual massacre was conducted by one individual who, along with his unidentified mentors and associates, had succumbed to the pernicious belief that the “Anglo-Saxon” nations – Britain, the United States, Canada, Australia and New Zealand – should be permanently at war with other nations of the world, particularly and currently with the Muslim nations.
    There is also a psychological process at work in the ontogenesis of a mass killer, to which New Zealand society seems blindly indifferent. The New Zealand media apparently believes it is right to label Tarrant a “loser”, “failure”, “low life”, “pathetic”, “trash”, “maggot” and so on, and for the government to decree that he should be denied a name, and be designated as a non-person no longer recognised as a human being. That attitude is an extreme extension of the callous contempt for our fellow human beings which breeds people precisely like Brenton Tarrant. It does not serve us well.
    The process has been “dimly lit” for a reason. It is because shining a strong light on the ideological, political, social and psychological background to this atrocity would reveal elements of the New Zealand and Australian states standing in the shadows behind Brenton Tarrant.

  9. The wider scenario of this tragedy is tied to the illegal Iraqi /Afghanistan /Syrian invasions by USA war criminals .with NZ joining in actively supporting first two. The many thousands of refugees from the war torn and ongoing conflict areas over the last 20+ years, were displaced and some gained entry to NZ. As some of these refugees had collaborated albeit, unwillingly, with NZ forces then they were in danger from reprisals from those fighting the invaders.
    Tarrant spent some time visiting the area where it is deemed he became radicalised from those invading who saw the locals as enemies.
    So we have people from the Arab world who have fled to NZ and an Australian racist who harboured hatred he had learned from the same war zone.
    Both a result of NZ’s folly joining in with US illegal warring for resources.
    NZ has paid dearly but not as dearly as the refugees both here and elsewhere whose families and homes have been shattered by US / NZ illegal invasion and occupation.

    Apart from the 8 NZ personnel killed to date, and the mission creep as NZ is kept from pulling out as promised, most Kiwis just accept the war as it is not in their neighbourhood, until something resulting from the war happens on their turf.
    To that extent we are equally guilty as the USA.

    Peace keeping missions are a euphemism for supporting occupation.
    Ron Marks has attempted to drag us into South Sudan, the Golan Heights and Lebanon, with the last two being Israeli / US expansionism at terrible cost to the native people.
    National are willing to increase NZ’s support for US / Israeli warfare on native ME territories of the ME.

    Now Labour is talking about ISIS when it has been clearly shown that ISIS has clandestine support by USA with funding and weapon supply including tanks.
    Who is our government.

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