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  1. We are unlikely to see the government change its stance on ANYTHING. Doing nothing and not ‘scaring the horses’ is the safest option in the short term. And the short term is all that Jacinda and co. are concerned with.

    Governments have no goals, as such, and are primarily concerned with the day-to-day flow of digitally-created money. When the flow starts to falter the government jiggles with its levers to get it flowing again, even if that flow caused major long-term damage to society and the environment. The fact that the tool required is a feather does not occur to people whose only tool is a hammer.

    The close relationship between the government and banks and corporations means their needs (wants) come long before the needs of the general populace.

    The key to ‘good’ governance is to keep up the pretence that ministers actually care about the welfare of the ‘proles’, when in fact they don’t. The other key to ‘good’ governance is to ensure that sufficient ‘breadcrumbs’ fall of the ‘elites’ table to prevent revolt; the ‘correct’ level of unemployment and poverty for the times.

    Successful election campaigns are predicated on making promises that can never be fulfilled, and conning the masses into believing they can have a bigger share of the national ‘cake’….. a “better, brighter future” and all that.

    Now that the cake is diminishing and climate chaos is burgeoning, Jacinda and Grant are faced with ‘problems’ the old (worn-out) formulae are not capable of covering up, nor of solving.

    2021 will be a more ‘interesting’ year than 2020, as the wheels fall off mainstream narratives all over the world, and politicians are see to be worse-than-useless twits -commencing with Boris Johnson.

  2. Am I about to agree with Chris Trotters grim and seemingly over the top warnings about white lash – the reaction of the white working class against woke politics?
    Kind of – it is something that has remained at the back of my mind since the BLM protests kicked off in the US – and it goes something like this – over 1000 people a year are killed by US police – while African Americans are definitely disproportionately affected what about the rest https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

    Dare I say it what about the white and Hispanic victims of police shootings? Would BLM be a more powerful and effective force if it combined with these other groups who are also victims of police brutality?
    Those who dig into the statistics of police brutality and incarceration in the US point out the obvious disproportionate treatment of Black Americans but the other overriding statistical feature in all of this is poverty. It is the poor whites, Hispanics and Blacks who end up at the sharp end of the criminal justice system in overwhelming numbers.
    The sharp focus on racial issues (valid though it is) – in effect masks a possible more pernicious problem which is a hatred of the poor.
    Was Don Brash’s speech about the un fairness of helping Maori via the Waitangi Tribunal or was it really about helping a people trapped in generational poverty? The Waitangi Tribunal was as much about wealth redistribution and correcting economic injustice as it was about amending historic colonial brutality.
    Are Maori over represented in prison and crime statistics because of their skin color or because of their prevailing socio economic position? By that I’m not trying to deny that racism exists but questioning whether it is the primary or only factor at play.
    This is where I think Chris Trotter’s tirades come in and I think the election of a Trump type figure is what he is foreseeing and warning us about.
    What happens when you tell a white working class individual who is struggling to survive and get by and who comes from a family history of poverty and struggle that they are benefiting from their white privilege? I imagine this person is going to get resentful and say to themselves WTF are you talking about.
    For all the hysteria about Trumps racism one of his key messages (Michael Moore was the only on pick up on this) was on the economic position of the working class. He spoke to them directly about their economic predicament – low wages, jobs being shipped off shore and he made threats to punish US corporation’s who did this. He also said something that really stood out for me – “I love the uneducated. They are my people.”
    This is something the middle class absolutely cannot stand because educational attainment is seen as the justification for all kinds of social ills. You know the argument – but they just need to do better in school and everything will be ok because of “equal opportunity”.
    The only other political reference of support for the uneducated (that I could find) comes from the US civil rights movement.

    I am somebody.
    I am a child of God.
    I may not be educated but I am somebody.
    I may not have any money but I am somebody.
    I may not eat steak every day but I am somebody.
    I may not look the way you look but I am somebody.

    Is it time for the left to regain it’s economic principles and arguments as these are the ones that bring the most significant change to the most people? If you’re against racism in NZ what would be of greater material benefit to Maori (and Pakeha) to have a strong, supportive and well funded welfare state or alternately having a handful of Maori sitting as board members on big NZ companies or Iwi trusts?
    If you’re a feminist – what will help all women in NZ more – a fully funded, comprehensive and free at the point of delivery health service or alternately a handful of women in cabinet?
    If you need an example of what happens to people who start making a noise and asking these hard questions you need go no further than Metiria Turei – former Green Party co-leader. Probably the greatest left wing politician we never had. The vitriolic hatred that erupted like a long suppressed turret’s tick from NZ’s middle and working classes was horrific and unanimous. “How dare this former beneficiary tell us what we should be doing to alleviate poverty in NZ.”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/99579343/guy-williams-governmentchanging-metiria-turei-is-my-kiwi-of-the-year
    I believe it is poverty and not race that obsesses working and middle class NZ. It just so happens that in most Western countries people of color are highly represented in the statistics for poverty.

    1. …” If you need an example of what happens to people who start making a noise and asking these hard questions you need go no further than Metiria Turei – former Green Party co-leader. Probably the greatest left wing politician we never had. The vitriolic hatred that erupted like a long suppressed turret’s tick from NZ’s middle and working classes was horrific and unanimous. I believe it is poverty and not race that obsesses working and middle class NZ. It just so happens that in most Western countries people of color are highly represented in the statistics for poverty”…

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      Ah yer reached the cockles of me heart. And I believe you reached the very heart of the issue. I’m awarding you a song.

      May God above, send down his love,
      with swords as sharp as sickles,
      to cut the throats of gentlefolks,
      who grudge poor men their victuals.
      “To the Editor of The Bristol Mercury” (1830)

      And heres the Johnny Collins version…

      Oh Lord above, send down a dove,
      With wings as sharp as razors
      To cut the throats of them there blokes
      Wot sells bad beer to sailors

      Sailor’s Prayer by Johnny Collins
      https://youtu.be/NrAUbJGLZqo?t=5

  3. Why is there an assumption that the government not paying a Christmas bonus to beneficiaries is anti-Maori or racist in motivation? Over 630,000 New Zealanders receive some form of welfare payment over a year (excluding superannuation). The vast majority are not Maori, 64% in fact.

    1. My assumption, Daphna, is based on the other 36 percent.

      The Scandinavian experience in regard to the public endorsement of social welfare is very similar to our own. When the welfare state was for ethnic Swedes, Norwegians, Danes and Finns, the political buy-in was impressive. When the “home-state” began to include refugees and immigrants from other parts of the world – not so much.

      Social-democracy and diversity do not appear to mix.

      1. When I worked in security, there was an ‘elderly’ Indian chap ( who I quite liked ) who was relatively recent to NZ, … who was drawing the military pension from India ( was a major fighting the Tamil Tigers ) , the pension from NZ, – and also working for the same security firm I was.

        Never paid a cent in taxes to NZ for most of his working years because he didn’t live here. Until he and his wife decided to emigrate to NZ. So he paid a tiny amount in his golden years as he looked forward to his NZ pension.

        That OK with you Mr Trotter?

        And here’s the kicker : he described those from Southern India as ‘ thieves’.

        Got to love it , dont ya.

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        …” When the “home-state” began to include refugees and immigrants from other parts of the world – not so much.

        Social-democracy and diversity do not appear to mix”…

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        Excluding refugees, – do you really think many of these freeloaders should get a hand out over our own nationals? Or have I read this wrong?

      2. “Diversity” through immigration was designed to undermine egalitarian social democracy in New Zealand. But we don’t need to let it happen that way. We don’t need to fall into the trap that the Lange/Douglas Labour government dug for us. Labour figured that a lot of ethnic diversity and a little bit of ethnic tension would be good for the colonial state and economy. Trouble is that “a little bit of ethnic tension”, just like “a little bit of Covid”, is not a viable objective. But we have to deal intelligently with what colonialism, in its folly or iniquity, has delivered to us, and the way to do that is to reject racism entirely.

  4. Pakeha New Zealanders living in “the provinces” are not nearly so racist as they have been made out to be. Racism tends to flourish among those who have little or no contact with other ethnic groups. That suggests that it is not a natural organic phenomenon but has been cultivated by those with an interest in promoting ethnic division – to be specific, the colonialist regime. Pakeha living in rural communities know their Maori neighbours, depend upon them in diverse ways, and on the whole love and respect both Maori and Maoritanga.
    The situation is not grim. Jacinda will make her own choices of course. She may choose to try to keep Maori on a tight rein and under-resourced. But that will be her choice, not something to be pinned on Pakeha as a whole.
    The project for Maori wards in local government is a good one with revolutionary implications. The mistake is that it is not promoted as being revolutionary. If we were to argue that not only Maori, but every single citizen should be able to choose where their community of interest lies when it comes to choice of governance, then Pakeha and others would see a huge advantage to themselves in this fundamental political reform.
    The left has no appetite for revolutionary change and lacks the courage to confront colonialism, so it will stay with Jacinda while Jacinda stays with the colonialist system and the Five Eyes alliance, both of which face certain destruction.
    So Chris, what you are suggesting is absolute folly. Now is the time to ratchet up the attack on colonialism and to bring all Maori and Pakeha into the revolutionary struggle for the destruction of colonialism and the restoration of kotahitanga, mana motuhake and rangatiratanga.

  5. Those questions are of such a low IQ anyone with a smart phone could answer, assuming they know their way around phones and the English language.

    In many ways it’s easy to see how you would beg the question of why are Maori receiving preferential treatment. It’s simple. Don’t dispossess Maori of their land and treasurers and then Maori won’t have any reason to claim poverty.

  6. “The other ‘issue’ I have is the sudden use of Maori language as an attempt to promote oneself as non racist.”.. The old “wolf in sheeps clothing” trick.. The only thing I might add, is that, as has been said, and I concur, is that to be able to talk with what was an enemy, in their own language, and therefore step closer to recognising the basic humanity in those “old enemies” as the same as ones own, with only cultural variations based on their environment, is an important step in removing the xenophobia that underpins the vast majority of racist opinion and justification for the historical abuses of those people… A government of clear forward vision, substance and courage is what’s required to take the first few baby steps in this direction.. Whether this government has what it takes is still debatable.. Maybe a repeat of the caucus pressure brought to bear on the ministry of the Savage government is due for a rerun.. The historical parallels are plain to see here..

  7. NZ racists seem to have a long amount to go before catching up with the rest of the worlds most racist countries.

    Top 10 Most Racist Countries in The World
    https://infotainworld.com/top-10-most-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    The most racist countries in the world
    https://businesstech.co.za/news/lifestyle/116644/the-most-racist-countries-in-the-world/

    https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/most-racist-countries

    We have to import them in like Tarrent with the woke all for it, it seems.

      1. It’s pretty succinct ant to the point Chris. It’s the only remedy to colonialism for us pink-o-greys.
        D J S

  8. Why do the left have this white savior mentality when they racistly act like all beneficiaries are brown. Most kiwis don’t think that , maybe they did but they don’t, there was next to zero push back from the public when the govt raised benifits by $20 and doubled WEP apart from libertarians, consersative Maori like Soimon and the left who were brutally against it cos it wasn’t enough, which it wasn’t.

    Most kiwis post covid are ok with benifits going up some more cos they know they are a bad week away from being on one.
    The fact Labour has refused to rule out rises before Xmas has everything to do with classism and our Political establishment being stuck in the 80s not our citizens.

    Id like to give Labour the benifit of the doubt and say that the reason they are waiting til budget month to do something on benefit rates because they have played fast and loose with money this year but I think there’s a lack of political will/real life experience about welfare (granted the ministers mother was on welfare)

    There are people who benny bash but they are increasingly in the minority , people are too worried about how they going to pay their mortgages, rents and feed their families to scapegoat others doing it tough. It’s not the mid 2000s and despite the minority of trolls on the left and right who hate nz society as someone whose traveled around the world, yes we have a lot to do to make things fairer and to enshrine Maori history and culture, we are probably the most successful multicultural society on the planet, we shit on each other but we need each other. However, we are indeed a classist and snobby country.

    1. Fundamentally Kiwi workers just work way to hard and are inadequately compensated for that labour. No matter who you are or where you come from, if you can secure yourself a permanent 40hr a week job it ought to be celebrated with an above minimum wage, RDO’s (rostered days of), sick days, holiday pay, 15% employer contribution to super, 1.6% mortgage rate subsidy, work place reintegration & light duties policy for seriously sick or injured to keep their job long term, childcare subsidy. These are just some of the things a component union would work on for the $5 or what ever membership fee.

  9. Frank the Tank: “For someone with inbuilt prejudice this is positive reinforcement of their positions. The woke don’t get this because they don’t nor were programmed to think this way.”

    Everybody has biases and prejudices. Yea, verily, even the woke. Some might say, especially the woke.

    But I agree with you: emphasising the differences between peoples may well have the unintended consequence of driving them further apart.

    “….the sudden use of Maori language as an attempt to promote oneself as non racist….”

    I understood this to be an attempt to promote more widespread use of the language: part of the revitalisation programme. But your interpretation may well be right.

    However. Unless Maori themselves put the grunt into producing native speakers, the language will ultimately be lost. If there aren’t now native speakers, the language is dead. No amount of sprinkling it about will save it, either, absent those native speakers.

  10. king Cyrus the Great
    In 539 B.C., less than a century after its founding, the legendary Persian king Cyrus the Great conquered Babylon. The fall of Babylon was complete when the empire came under Persian control.

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    Fall of Babylon – Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Babylon
    Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org › wiki › Fall_of_Babylon

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    How would the Babylonian citizenry have felt with the overrunning of their empire by the Assyrians?

    Conquest, subjugation, exploitation, torture, racism , genocide , ‘cultural appropriation’ etc is as old as humanity itself. Do we dare to contradict history and in doing so the unchanging heart of mankind? And do we dare to exert that we are more ‘intelligent’ and enlightened than our ancestors 5000 years distant? Do we say that we are more ‘enlightened ‘ and that ‘political sophistication ‘ in the 21rst century is more advanced?

    Lets look at Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler , apartheid South Africa, Bosnia, Afghanistan, Iraq to name a few…

    All we are doing is warding off the natural tendencies of humankind towards self destruction. It’s in your nature to destroy yourselves…

    It’s in your nature to destroy yourselves
    https://youtu.be/MF_4EWSuzQY?t=24

  11. It depends on where you define your distinctions. I see it as people who see themselves as productive citizens who contribute to society disliking (actively or passively) people whom they perceive as less- or un-productive and not contributing their fair share. This applies across the board at all levels of NZ society.
    One of the possible good things to come out of the pandemic could be new ideas and flexible mechanisms to allow many more people to be productive and fairly recompensed for their efforts in other ways than the traditional 40 hours a week workplace model.

  12. Frank the Tank: “For someone with inbuilt prejudice this is positive reinforcement of their positions. The woke don’t get this because they don’t nor were programmed to think this way.”

    Everybody has biases and prejudices. Yea, verily, even the woke. Some might say, especially the woke.

    But I agree with you: emphasising the differences between peoples may well have the unintended consequence of driving them further apart.

    “….the sudden use of Maori language as an attempt to promote oneself as non racist….”

    I understood this to be an attempt to promote more widespread use of the language: part of the revitalisation programme. But your interpretation may well be right.

    However. Unless Maori themselves put the grunt into producing native speakers, the language will ultimately be lost. If there aren’t now native speakers, the language is dead. No amount of sprinkling it about will save it, either, absent those native speakers.

  13. It’s those gun toting redneck south islanders again eh.
    Weren’t they going to have a revolution in Gore in one of your past offerings?
    And how dare people think badly of gangs, you know, the ones selling meth to our kids and raping and murdering and actually doing the vast majority of gun crime, more since the left attacked NZ, mainly working class, licensed gun owners.

    How about sheeting home the blame for inequality where it lies currently: the Labour government running policy that inflates house prices such that the poorest brownest suburbs now have houses worth a million dollars or more.
    That’s subjugation and it’s being done by the left with no asking.

  14. Kia ora Chris I will have to agree with you. The only way for the Natz to win in 2023 is to play the Maori race card. Dwell on the prejudices of NZers and watch like Don Brash did and see Natz go from 25% to 47% in the polls. Brash only just lost that election but if the Natz get John Key look alike Chris Luxon as leader, he should pull it off. Middle NZ will be scared and uncomfortable by the prominence of the Maori party and the Labour and Greens Maori caucus. It will be dirty politics as usual by the Tories.

    1. IT is early days but based on the performance so far many will be so disappointed in both the main parties so the 2 small parties may seem more attractive to those that care.

  15. The vast majority of people in industrialised nations consume far more than they produce. Indeed, the vast majority hardly produce anything other than CO2-enriched air, urine and feces. .

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