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  1. Should the left have left? an age old conundrum in Parliamentary Labour type parties. Unfortunately there would have been little choice going by the activities of the “Backbone Club” and the way Jim Anderton was shamefully treated at Conferences. Matt McCarten was hounded out of the old Hotel Workers Union for his efforts by certain Labour loyalists.

    NZ Labour was always on an ultimate loser trajectory, in class left terms, because of the party being split into Parliamentary and ordinary branch member wings. The MPs can still lord it over the rest of the party, despite a little wrangling during the brief Cunliffe era. The rules ultimately allowed Jacinda Ardern to take the leadership given Andrew Little’s timing. And of course popular participation is way down on previous decades anyway.

    No, I think Chris and Matt and many others did the right thing, as at least Paid Parental Leave, and the existence of the Greens attest. The Alliance could actually still be a force if they had not fallen for the NZ hard left trap–inappropriate weighting to internationalism over localism regarding Afghanistan.

  2. I would argue that the Left didn’t leave. The people that departed were the ACT people followed by people like Mike Moore. These were mostly the reasonable people who weren’t ideologically hidebound and had a general managerial competence. What remained were just representatives of minority radical factions.

    There’s a theory in management called ‘Contingency Theory’ which boils down to the idea that every single decision should be based on the individual circumstances (contingencies) of that instance. It requires managers to pragmatically analyze individual issues and find solutions that are specific to those circumstances.
    Applying this to politics, anyone going into government with a fixed doctrine is the equivalent of a tradesman who only has one tool – a hammer (because nobody uses sickles anymore) and every problem becomes a nail.

    1. Well, Andrew, all I can say is that, at the time, the Labour Party, the National Party, other left-wing parties, university professors and virtually the entire mainstream news media were (for once!) in agreement. The Labour Party had split, and its left-wing members had followed Jim Anderton into the NewLabour Party.

      You are, of course, welcome to your opinion, but the facts of 1989 are against you.

      1. We’re talking at cross purposes – I was talking about the ACT split from Labour in 1993 that removed the remaining pragmatists from the party.

        1. “that removed the remaining pragmatists from the party.”… Are you quite sure about that?
          I always thought of Roger Douglas as both an arch “neoliberal” considering that he was the principle architect of the Lange governments economic program, ans a one of the greatest traitors to the labour movement in NZ that has ever lived… Pragmatist… Hell yeah!!

          1. Stefan, but isn’t neoliberalism the creed of simply ‘doing what works’? The ultimate in pragmatic policy.

            This is shown internationally where those countries that adopted neoliberalism have been more successful than the rest.

          2. So, according to you, the Uk and NZ did better than Germany Sweden, Norway and Denmark from the 1980s onwards?

  3. Jim Anderton had put his life (and perhaps that of his family) into the labour party. When he found his project had been hijacked by the” fish and chip club” he first tried to take it back but all his comrades within the executive turned out to be traitors. The most hurt full being Hellen Clarke.
    When he saw that all was lost and he was without support he understandably tried to take the traditional labour voter with him into a party that would continue the ideals that labour used to hold.
    His decision to leave and start New Labour made it inevitable that those who were similarly horrified by what Douglas was doing to the country would go with him. If he had stayed most of these would have stayed too and hoped to get the party back one day. And after loosing the election 6 years down the line they might just have done so because by then they would probably have had Lange on their side.But without Anderton in there it’s hard to see that happening.

    D J S

  4. Good article , I think I favour your opinion Chris, however,… it seems it was easy to marginalize Anderton via the press which they did,. And by his larger neo liberal opponents in both National and Labour. It was a slow grinding down,…I remember being dumbfounded that so many chose to stay with Labour and its right wing policies at the time,…to flippantly throw away all the the benefits of 60 odd years and simply hand it over to the wealthy ( both domestic and foreign ) in such a short period of time. I had hope for the Alliance yet still, the NZ public continued to vote for the treacherous partys that beat them over the head with a hammer and then came back asking for more…they were well propagandized to accept the lies of ‘trickle down’ theory and ‘short term pain’ for ‘longer term gain’…

    Not many of us were there like you and Matt were,… so its difficult to say what would have happened if left leaning Labour voted to stay within the party,…working from within. But I suspect like so many other human institutions, in the end, there would have been splinter groups and doing exactly what did happen with New Labour and the Alliance.
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    ..”Would Lincoln have signed the Emancipation Proclamation if he had seen the Jim Crow South in all its white-sheeted horror?”…
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    Some interesting points to the above…depending on what one reads and perspective one takes.

    * Lincoln saw a future half a million to a million loyal votes from freed Afro Americans guaranteed to vote for him and his Republican party. It would be difficult to overlook the political benefits he saw.

    * Crucially, the hypocritical industrial North relied on the agrarian produce of the South to produce textiles for on sale to England and France and to the people of America themselves.

    * Many tout and think slavery as being the only cause of the civil war but a close runner up was the issue of states rights and self determination, a fact that is buried in time, changed by revisionists, dismissed as Southern apologetics, yet ignored when taken in context for that period of history.

    * In many Southerners eyes when the North declared war it was akin to a looming invasion, so naturally they resisted – as would we or anybody else.

    * The so called ‘reconstruction’ of the South was seen in many peoples eyes as nothing more than an occupation and land grab by the victors, and a form of early open door ‘reeducation camp’.

    * Among those advocating ‘reconstruction’ were the usual gaggle of financiers, bankers, speculators, land grabbers and opportunists waiting in the wings like hawks from both the North, Europe and even the South to loan and invest in the coming bonanza they saw.

    * Lincolns Emancipation Proclamation was shelved for a long time because fellow political colleagues did not want it released because they were unsure if they could win against the South and could lose them votes in the advent of a détente being reached and a preservation of the Union of sorts…. It was one reason why Lincoln pressured his generals for intensifying the war, sacking one (General George McClellan) and replacing him with (Ambrose Burnside) then ( General Joseph Hooker) then (George Meade)- and not forgetting Ulysses S. Grant and General William T. Sherman who went on to play major roles in the theory of manifold destiny, westward expansion and the genocide of many native Americans. Admittedly, the South also had its sackings but not nearly as many. They seemed to have been more unified in purpose with examples of dissent or disorderly conduct less common.

    Interestingly, the modern day Democratic party had its origins in the South and was pro slavery, whereas the Republicans ( Lincolns party) were opposed to it. These days that is all reversed and the Democrat’s are the ‘good guys’ and the Republicans are the ‘bad guys’. Slavery was a hideous thing for those who were abducted and suffered. Yet, some were treated well. Many Afro Americans fought for the confederates, strangely enough. Yet one cannot ever justify selling human beings, nor slavery , nor the initial abductions. The American civil war is a complex piece of history when taken in historical context and there were many vested interests both at home and abroad who wanted the war. It was never simply just about slavery. Money and political power were also major influences for both sides. And while Abe Lincoln is seen today as a virtuous, ethical leader and which I believe he essentially was ( Yet confederate General Robert E Lee was equally viewed as such ), he still intensified the war effort and is inadvertently yet ultimately, responsible for the deaths of around half a million American lives in the bloodiest war ever fought on American soil, and for the population of that time, – the toll was horrendous.

  5. “On September 14 1991 The New Zealand Herald reported that Sunshine Pig Farms Ltd, situated at Old Great South Road, Ramarama, near Drury in South Auckland had gone into receivership the previous day, but that the receiver would continue to trade. Managed by Roger Douglas Associates the property kept 5,000 pigs in stalls. The article goes on to report that earlier in the year the company was fined $5,000 in the Otahuhu District Court and ordered to pay $9,419.79 in costs for spilling 30,000 cubic metres of effluent into the Manukau Harbour and surrounding countryside. The spillage occurred when the largest of a series of oxidation ponds on the farm burst its embankment. When Sir Roger Douglas was questioned about his pig-farming enterprise he is reported as saying: “There is money in it.”
    On March 4 1992 the Holmes Programme exposed the horrors of the sow stall in a programme which featured pig-farmer ex-Minister of Finance Roger Douglas, in which criticism was levelled at this former politician for his factory farming activities. Holmes reported that prior to screening the programme he was contacted by the Managing Director of the Pork Marketing Board, Dave Dobson, who reminded him what the Board spends advertising its products on television!”
    As posted on 5.6.2009 at https://greenvoices.wordpress.com/2009/06/05/roger-the-pig-farmer/

    The political actions while Douglas was the Minister of Finance in the Lange government are remarkably comparable to his actions as a pig farmer.

  6. One might ask the question – if they did not leave would not Mike Moore have won the 1993 election (but at the cost of a failed MP referendum)?

    1. Labour literally throw any old shmuck into the leadership position. It was our role to surround those shmucks with our guys. And you call me low IQ right-wing you shmuck. Wake up to yourself.

      1. What sort of person stalks people they see as woke and uses the term shmuck?

        1. shmuck:

          schmuck
          INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
          noun: shmuck
          a foolish or contemptible person.
          “you’ve really got to be some schmuck to fall for that one”

          I don’t think you are a ‘schmuck’. At all, TBH.

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