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  1. As a pastor of a small progressive Baptist church, I thought this was bloody brilliant. I appreciate you making room for people to be imperfect in this outrage driven culture.

  2. I think: Life is simple & Life is not easy for the majority of humans beings on Earth.

    IMO, the only way to live is to ONLY treat others as I wish to be treated. Living so is NOT EASY AND it can be done – every day. I have ‘much cause’ to be angry with some others. Such anger only harms oneself – not the other. I strive to not sustain my anger but instead, be grateful for the lesson afforded me.

  3. The problem is that keeping this virus out requires the co operation of 5 million. One individual who believes they have a higher priority to do god’s work and meet with a family in the course of god’s work is all that is needed for the virus to win.
    There will always be some who will deliberately spread a disease because of a twisted sense of victimhood. Like happened a girl who had a liaison on her OE and was given a letter to read when she got home to NZ which welcomed her to the “Aids Club” which she subsequently discovered she had joined. This might be different from the religious motivation, but the confidence to act provided by the belief that one is acting on a higher authority than exists on earth is incurable.
    D J S

  4. The problem is sometimes it takes something bad to happen for some people to open their eyes and realise what they have been lead to believe is simply not true. There are many bad, false, greedy, power hungry and selfish leaders throughout the world. We only have to look around the rest of the world to see what is happening and how many millions of people have been displaced are homeless, hungry and suffering. And this should make us realise how fortunate we are to live here in our beautiful country.

  5. Well said, Curwen.

    My Christian upbringing counsels me to forgive, but reading about the phenomenal amount of money ($1.8 million!) extracted from the 332 members of the Mt Roskill Evangelical Fellowship Church’s congregation (in just one year!) I am reminded of Jesus driving the money-changers out of the Temple with the words: “My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves”.

    Sometimes, even the Prince of Peace must wield a sword.

    1. “Sometimes, even the Prince of Peace must wield a sword”. Oooerr Chris, it’s complicated, isn’t t?

  6. When people are caught at a moment of weakness or upset and the flock apply social niceties and attention, then it can be easy for a recruit to become initiated then committed to a group belief.
    Obedience to scripture is a first priority and the second is not to question. Then there always seems to be money wanted.
    As George Carlin remarked that the almighty seems to have problems with money and always needs more.eg. The Mormon church collect around 3.5 million from mainly poor families in NZ who are questioned on what more they can contribute, but no accountability for the money collected is ever presented to the contributing flock.
    Fellowship is one thing but authority assumed over Kiwis in that fellowship is faux fellowship.
    Blind obedience should be questioned and publicly scorned.
    The “covind19 hoax” element within this Evangelical group is costing other people their health and some a possibility of permanent long term damage to their systems or even death.
    A stronger line has to be taken on creeps who deliberately spread these diabolical myths.

    1. Correction by way of decimal shift.
      According to an IRD return the Mormon church declared $35,000,000 taken in from poor Kiwis, after expenses and all the shuffling is done. But on top of that there is a substantial property portfolio which the rates are paid on by mainly non church members.
      Adding up all the rates and tax concessions given to churches would present an interesting picture of how we feed the parasites.
      I am picking this information would be hard to get.

  7. I’m sorry, but there looks to have been wilful ignorance, rejection of science and a selfishness of god over community.
    This has parallels with treason, sabotage and misinformation.
    Bloody right we are angry.
    I don’t care if they are nice people doing nice things.
    Their actions will have major consequences for our health, economy and our well being if this gets out of control.
    A no questions asked amnesty for overstayers on receipt of quarantine and testing is what is needed now.
    Dont get me started on the tax free status of these churches.
    Grrrrrrrr

  8. One of the more inspiring things that happened after the ChCh Mosque attacks was this: 26th May 2019, Hundreds Join Interfaith Bike Tour

    Excerpts:
    A Māori karakia was read by Katarina Te Maihāroa before Farid Ahmed expressed his thanks to the cyclists.
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    The first stop was Fo Guang Shan Buddhist Temple in Harakeke St where Venerable Abbess Manshin told the crowd the importance of joy, deference and respect.
    ——–
    “My message to all of you today is we need to bring harmony and peace back to the city. We love our city, we love this land, we love Christchurch,” she said.

    The route then headed through Hagley Park before turning north to Christchurch Hare Krishna Centre in Bealey Ave.

    The cyclists were greeted by Yamunacarya, who invited us to visit the temple and after a brief look at the statues and photos we were back on our bikes.

    As we traversed the traffic most motorists were patient and courteous as the large group of cyclists crossed into Durham Street North.

    The next stop was Canterbury Hebrew Congregation, the headquarters of Jewish religious and educational services in Christchurch before continuing to St Mary’s Pro Cathedral in Manchester St.

    We were met by Kathleen Gallagher, a member of Christchurch Catholic community, who said the cycle ride was a wonderful coming together of everybody.

    From there we rode to Oxford Terrace Baptist Church where Minister Chris Chamberlain explained the history of the site, which was rebuilt after the February 2011 earthquake, before saying a prayer for the cyclists.

    “The church has been in existence since 1863. The columns here give you a bit of a clue about what it used to look like – before [the quake],” he said.

    At the Transitional Cathedral, Dean Lawrence Kimberley welcomed us on behalf of the Anglican community and again joined us in prayer.

    “It’s great to be able to celebrate our common humanity no matter what our faith might be,” he said.

    The last 2.5km took us to Linwood Islamic Centre in Linwood Ave where we parked our bikes, removed our shoes and took a seat inside the mosque. Full article at the link above.

  9. No these superstitious idiots must be made to suffer all the consequences of their idiocy.
    These little breakaway sects of stupidity aggressively tithe cause that is what it is all about, finding some part of the ‘original scriptures’ and ‘retranslating’ it to create a reason to be different from any of the existing cults.

    This is easy to do as the original word was written in Aramaic, a language with a small but highly regionalised vocabulary and very loose grammar rules.
    Once the difference has been created some lazy type who would rather bludge than work starts spewing his/her nonsense to the masses and enlists as many mugs as possible. The church will tithe hard at 10% so more than 10 families falling for the con puts the ‘minister’ right in the gravy.

    They hate the lockdown because if the church does not convene at least once a week, collecting tithes is impossibly hard.
    IMO that is the most likely reason why this particular greedy twot kept having services.

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