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  1. Spin from Ben to cover up a catastrophic defeat. This will keep happening, rinse repeat. Does Ben want this to carry on to the last Ukrainian?

    1. Putins support comes from Russia. Ukraine’s support comes from 16,000 kilometres away. Who’s in the defensive position again?

    2. Ben has been writing about the withdrawal from Avdiivka for months so you need to look up the definition of “catastrophic” since using it where it is clearly not applicable does not reflect well on you.

      1. Bonnie, I don’t care. If you don’t double, triple check all reports and merely believe Ben that’s fine.

    3. Yes, just like Zelensky does. There’s no doubt that Putin cares a lot more about preserving Ukrainian lives than these evil scum do.

      Interesting that that the Azov motorized unit was used to cover the retreat. It seems quite plausible that Zelensky is trying to get as many nationalists killed as possible to reduce the chance that they overthrow/kill him after he surrenders.

      1. ‘There’s no doubt that Putin cares a lot more about preserving Ukrainian lives’ – One of the most deluded comments that I have ever come across.

    4. NJ – you are just spinning hackneyed phrases. What is it that drives you to your misanthropic views? Why do human rights have no place in your vocabulary? And Putin’s latest atrocity will be explained with the constant whataboutism which you trot out ad infinitum.

  2. Avdiivka, the last Ukrainian stronghold that for almost ten years, was regularly bombing its, formerly, own people in the Donbass – especially the Auckland sized Donetsk city. The locals can finally breathe a lot easier.

  3. It’s astonishing really, how many people of low morals and low intelligence are duped by Putin’s disinformation. The kindest description of the man is a despot – no-one that pretends to enlightened values can support him.

    The war has been allowed to drag on, and Putin has bet the house on a Trump victory. I hope someone in Europe is doing the math – it’s always cheaper to defeat your enemy before he crosses your borders.

    1. I’m not at all keen on Putin
      But I still believe Russia was threatened by increasing Nato encroachment and attempts to break Russia open for western plunder

      1. I expect that Western and Russian plundering are arguments that need to be balanced by many of the small neighbouring countries. The process is different, and the Russian one leans toward more authoritarian local politics. Georgia, for example, showed some interest in joining the EU and presumably NATO, at least prior to the Citrus War. They presently have a Russia leaning leader, but he is encountering significant unrest over his position.

        With Finland’s entry to NATO, they may look to reclaim Karelia as Russia falls apart, and, to be sure there will likely be a rush of investors (disaster capitalists) that have not read their William Gerhardie, poised to descend on post-Putin Russia.

        There is little doubt the current Russian administration is threatened by NATO. So too was Hitler as Allied forces closed on the German heartlands. In that case however, Germany came out of it rather well.

        1. Everyone interprets history according to their own world view.
          I admire a man who can adjust his world view without his own sense of self collapsing
          Here’s Craig Murray, who’s come to view the SMO differently
          https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/02/putin-history-and-the-mystery-of-national-identity/
          Not entirely approving of Russia’s actions , he shows a willingness to concede that action may have been justified in some respects
          Less black and white than most of the zealots on view here

          1. Craig Murray is a despicable running dog Putin apologist, with neither the sense to formulate decent analysis nor the moral capacity to understand that repeating the factually incorrect propaganda of a genocidal dictator is in itself a wrong.

            You seem to suffer from the same vice.

          2. Oh god Stuart /.You are like some kind of caricature with that language .Like something out of the Soviet Union, written badly on old newsprint
            Craig is anything but.You will be saying Assange is a running dog traitor who needs to be strung up from the nearest lamp post next

          3. Yes, Crag is antything but a reliable source – a poorly informed supine consumer of Kremlin dysinformatsia with no credibility whatsoever.

            Oh the old fall back putting your prejudices in my mouth – a more promising strategy to be sure than trying to argue your indefensible support for Putin on his merits, but still ultimately unenlightened, and doomed – just like your authoritarian hero.

          4. No. Historians do not interpret the world through their own world view. Historians rely on primary source documents which are the most reliable sources available. Oral sources are far less reliable.
            The Putin supporters do not understand proper historical method. They could not identify a reputable historian if they tried. Very few academics take the pro Putin line. There are some such as Richard Sakwa and the late Stephen Cohen who do but they can’t hold a candle to the powerful intellects of Timothy Snyder, Anne Applebaum or Mark Galeotti.

    2. THe ones of low morals and intelligence are the ones that support the side that is happy with killing.
      Russia didn’t want dead Ukrainians and Russians. The US did.
      Expert commentators were calling out the Nato ploy and inevitable Russian response a decade ago.

      1. Meh – the Russians are happy to kill even their own. They wouldn’t blink at killing you.

    3. Well said Stuart! They are of low morals and low intelligence! They obviously hanker for a strongman leader and I would wager that all of them would be for capital punishment. And they would be the first victims in a Stalinist state.

  4. More pointless propaganda… When are the, so called “experts” in the west going to grow a pair, and report the truth..
    Avdiivka is/was the most heavily fortified. and defended spot in that region, and as a consequence, the Russians have taken a methodical, and less damaging approach…
    What I find rather disquieting, is the portrayal of what is a tactic designed to minimize casualties, on both sides, and that will be, and always was going to be, successful…
    I grow weary of the delusional fairy tales we are being fed by our “experts”… So right now, my impression is of just another shill making the “correct” noises, and even after the war is lost, will continue to misrepresent what that actually means…
    So I will tell you.. PEACE!!!! And when/if the Americans can shed the cloak of murderous psychopathy, the rest of the world will have a chance to resume a rational, evolutionary development…
    Any bets on the yanks waking up before they are pushed aside, and consigned to the dustbin of history? That would be a sucker bet, as the yanks are every bit as bloody minded as the Pomgolians were/are, and therefore destined to do the stupid thing every time, and leave untold damage in their wake…

  5. Meanwhile, here’s a report from someone who knows what he is talking about –

    “The General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation managed to carry out the operation to capture Avdeyevka with minimal losses, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu has said.

    Offensive operations after the liberation of the city continue to the west, 72 square kilometers have been liberated, the minister emphasized.

    The operation of the liberation of the city will be included in the textbooks of the Ministry of Defense, Shoigu noted.”
    https://sputnikglobe.com/20240220/russian-general-staff-carried-out-operation-to-take-control-of-avdeyevka-with-minimal-losses-shoigu-1116891879.html

  6. From Martyn (Bradbury) today – looks like Antforce & friends should go fuck themselves:

    “I am Socialist Left as fuck and despise the American Military Industrial Complex, but I have never understood the spineless devotion of Putin apologists!
    Putin is a fucking authoritarian thug whose unspeakable brutal violence marks him as a brutal dictator. His needless war with Ukraine is an abomination and he has assassinated anyone he likes.
    Fuck Putin and fuck anyone defending him.
    I don’t give a shit about the Donbas provocations, that doesn’t justify a war where he is minced up 370 000 of his own fucking men for a totally preventable war!”

    https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2024/02/21/the-liberal-agenda-can-jon-stewart-save-america-from-woke-millennials-trump-and-themselves/

    1. A totally preventable war…you got that right.But apparently a neutral Ukraine and semi autonomy for Majority Russian areas like Donetsk and Luhansk (while remaining in Ukrainian borders )was such an abominable notion that 100s of thousands of young men had to lose their lives.
      Apparently the likes of you are happy to sacrifice that many sons ,fathers and husbands

  7. All I’m hearing is the moaning from a cotery of losers who have believed the bullshit Western supremacist propaganda for the last two years. Reality hurts. Throw some more invective.

  8. Bravo Lord Cameron – Putin’s Russia is where the Nazis are. Not Ukraine. Would the Quislings on this site keep supporting Putin if World War 3 starts? Would they risk incarceration?

  9. Two of the best Russian commentators on YouTube are: Vlad Vexler in UK and Konstantin Samoilov in Tashkent. I ally myself with them and my cousin in California feels the same. We are virulently anti-Putin, pro-Ukraine and pro-Russia. After all our fathers were born in Russia. The Putinists on this site don’t know Russia. They think they do but they are sadly deluded.

    1. PhuD if your forefathers were slung out by the ghastly (and I mean ghastly) Soviets I’d suggest both parties were done a favour. WTF makes you think that they would want you back?

    2. Welcome to Ovods echo chamber. There’s the issue right there confirmation bias from a “Russian expert. You have a profound ability to ignore Putin because of hatred without looking past the person and listening to the message with an open mind Kudos to Putin for warning the West for decades of their encroachment towards Russian borders breaking agreements to the contrary. PHD in Russian studies, yeah right. You fail degrees 101.

  10. For all those Putin apologists, here’s Paul Street on Putin;
    “I have nothing but contempt for the authoritarianism and corruption of Russia’s fascistic strongman Putin, a hero and agent of the fascist right across the world. (He just granted an interview to the leading United States neofascist propagandist Tucker Carlson.)
    He’s a blood-soaked war criminal responsible for mass slaughter in Chechnya, Georgia, Syria, and Africa, and for brutal repression in his heavily policed home country.
    He’s a loathsome tyrant running a crooked and revanchist oligarchy atop a savagely oppressive classist, racist and patriarchal sociopolitical order that ought to be overthrown in a new Russian socialist revolution.
    The Russian coffins that have come back from Ukraine have been disproportionately filled by oppressed ethnic minorities, especially Mongol Buryats (from southeastern Siberia) and Tuvans (Turkic ethnic group indigenous to Siberia ) and soldiers from economically disadvantaged regions in Siberia and the Russian Far East. Soldiers from favored Moscow and St. Petersburg have been largely spared the role of cannon fodder in Putin’s invasion.
    All of which is quite terrible.
    Geopolitical “leftists” who think that there’s something radical and noble about post-Soviet Russia are despicable buffoons.”
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/02/22/500000-dead-and-maimed-in-ukraine/
    Even though in this article he puts the blame for the Ukraine mess squarely on NATO’s expansion and the West’s co-opting of the Zelensky government, there is still a serious argument to be made, and one that is made by a number of contemporary historians, that without Putin’s distorted view of history and his hubris over restoring the ‘great Russian Empire’, this war would not have happened.

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