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  1. I would have thought that this pandemic was a fore shadowing of the much more devastating climate crisis to follow. That the debate might have been about what kind of more sustainable society we may want to emerge from the lockdown. That has not been the case. With few exceptions those people granted the space to make public comment, granted the opportunity to shape the public debate have been part of or the running dogs of the wealthy èlite hell bent on returning to the economic and social state that is rampant unchecked capitalism.

    1. Peter – “I would have thought that this pandemic was a fore shadowing of the much more devastating climate crisis to follow.” Absolutely. You’re not alone in seeing this as an event in the climate change scenario unfolding globally. And we should know enough by now to accept that this is not another isolated occurrence.

      A previous pandemic, I also see as a climate change event – though I’ve not been particularly aware of others doing so. Began when African villagers ate a monkey which had been killed, a normal tribal practice. However, because the monkey’s habitat, and thus its own physiology had changed, it had become toxic – folk ate it – were contaminated – contaminated others and so on.

      We (the royal) don’t know how future climate change events may pan out, but no amount of denial is going to stop it from happening. Conversations on a sustainable society are happening, but certainly not publicly enough. Recent bleatings about the CV shutdown harming business, fans out into a much bigger picture culminating in what you identify as rampant capitalism – which is exactly what has trashed planet earth, and this is the discussion we should be having.

      The earth is very good at looking after itself and is shrugging us off now – and I have no problem with that, as we’ve let it down so badly – but lots of people – like the African villagers – did not deserve to be victims of consumer greed – and utterly nutty insane greed.

      If that doesn’t change we’ll implode – start over again – and the rich buffered in bunkers will buy themselves nothing but a trifling sliver of time – we all gotta go – but looking after each other ?

    2. if any group has to die i vote the boomers ,they can do good by dieing off happily knowing they have saved the economy and left all there wealth to gen x and we will clean up the mess they have made

  2. Two questions I would put to Mr Hooton whose profession is a paid lobbyist, and which has not been raised on Nine to Noon’s Political Panel: is Mr Hooton currently under contract to any business lobby? And what are the terms of that contract?

    Answering that question might explain why his views on the lock down have changed from enthusiastic support, to agitating to oppose it and lift it.

    1. Frank Macskasy,

      100% Frank.

      He’s the epitome of vested interest. What certain people want becomes exactly what the latrine rodent Hooton wants.

  3. Lets tax the profits leaving NZ to save the next generation and prevent NZ from becoming a satellite family, banana republic.

    Notice that the right are already starting to talk about increasing taxes in NZ to ‘pay for Covid’.

    However while the biggest rescue packages seem to be for business shareholders and sunset businesses employing people who are not citizens/long term residents of NZ apparently nobody is talking about increasing the corporate tax take in NZ which is ridiculously low and being lowered for decades.

    Aka corporate income tax rate has gone from 48% to 33% and currently to 28% on 1 October 2010.

    I wonder why the MSM don’t moot increasing that tax when profits is our 2nd biggest exports in NZ!

    Australian banks are making $580,000 in New Zealand every hour, money a former Kiwi banker says should be staying in the country.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2019/03/the-astounding-profit-australian-banks-make-in-new-zealand-every-hour.html

    There seems to be huge reluctance to tax overseas profits higher when everything local seems to be going up historically….

    aka GST 10% to 15%,

    Council rates a local property taxes on properties goes up 2-1000%
    https://www.interest.co.nz/bonds/60974/heavily-indebted-and-disgraced-kaipara-district-council-raises-fears-over-bailing-out
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10807032)

    Bright line capital gains tax introduced

    Petrol taxes

    While income taxes have not gone up, in real terms people have less and less money, because the cost of living has escalated so much in terms of increases like insurance gone up 30%+, food has risen massively in particular over the Covid, power, water charges while many incomes are going down…. so any increases in personal taxes will hit people extremely hard and the government is double dipping when there is GST added to every essential from food, insurance, petrol, insurance on top of the private profits of banks and insurance companies going to overseas shareholders….

    Mortgages are predicted to go up.

    Weird how the companies that seem to be profiting the most out of NZ never get any talk of increased taxes put on their profitable industry like banking and financial products!!!!

    I propose a tax on profits that are going out of the country before the government even thinks of charging the locals any more taxes on top of lower incomes!!!!!

    As for the neoliberal mantra of giving free citizenship for high worth individuals. We already did that silly, and they ran off with all the profits they made in NZ and can now claim a pension here and free medical care.

    Billionaire Peter Thiel makes fortune after ‘sweetheart’ deal with Government
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11794020

    They keep running off with the money!

    Mainzeal’s Yan says NZ laws don’t apply in China, won’t pay back $18m
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12271022

    Cadbury, Tegal
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201843153/business-commentator-rod-oram

    We have already had a strategy to encourage foreign capital in NZ but it doesn’t seem to be helping people here more lowering wages and standards of living.

    Our government has sold citizenship and permanent residency to help private business profits in NZ but to work needs to discourage the practice of everyone taking money out of NZ as soon as they can (aka once citizenship is given or threatening to leave Rio Tinto if they don’t get extra handouts) and start to tax the multimillion profits that overseas investors keep removing from NZ to actually make the equation of foreign investment in NZ work.

    If you can remove the investment in NZ in terms of profits or receiverships then it doesn’t exactly work out too well for the taxpayers propping the ponzi up!

    The right are braying for more of the same messy neoliberal ideas on taxation that got NZ into the predicament in the first place!

    Are the left too sleepy to work out Neoliberalism 3.0 is being mooted?

    Are the left still obsessed with some teachers rental property while the banks take out $500k in profit per hour from the hands of practically every person in NZ, and pay little tax on that!

  4. Anyone taking more than $500,000 out of NZ should be paying a financial transaction tax of 5% on the money!

    This would increase the investment in NZ by discouraging all the profits taken in NZ to flow out.

    Would solve the issues of all the companies that appear to be billion dollar companies but somehow never pay a cent of tax here as they surprisingly make zero or reduced profits!

    Even if it was temporary for the next 5 years would help stop the flow of money out of NZ and help with Covid.

    It would be a way for NZ executives to ‘encourage’ their parent companies not to use NZ as a cash cow aka OZ banks and invest into NZ instead, likewise the private equity here would be encouraged to reinvest the money in NZ not always repatriate it overseas.

    That in itself would generate a better eco system of investment in NZ which seems to only flow one way in NZ, outward at the first available opportunity.

  5. The greatest good for the greatest number has been how elections have been decided dfore decades,, both here and overseas.

    It is/was the justification for universal franchise, socialised medicine, state support for home ownership (in decline sadly) and families and progressive tax (albeit now in the form of WFF tax credits) and universal pension/super.

    And political parties form around different perspectives on this – providing for those in need, or allowing a majority to get ahead of the rest – their society of winners and losers.

    In health there has alway been a discordant focus on cancer drugs and hip an knee ops for the middle class and otherwise geting it done on the cheap or outsourced to private providers. Thius the lack of pandemic ready capacity and limited support for those with underclass health conditions (or just unlucky middle class).

    There is no difference this time around in terms of that, the demographic side of it is the only new factor – trying to guilt them … over how much pain will they endure for the sake of the older and more at risk .. to prove their humanity. This after the oldies in New Zealand flipped the bird to them over a CGT. Where were you on that one?

    It sort of reminds of a scene in the film Millers Crossing where a person begs for his life

  6. Warner Bros is another $40 million sink hole of John Key’s ‘sale of our childers future’ following his give away to sooth his ego.

    We should always remember his crimes, when John Key gave $40 million to Warner Bros to make movies here, but Warner Bros didn’t stay here in the end did they?

    1. John Key….white-collar criminal, a traitor to NZers and ponytail pulling misogynist. Worst PM ever!!!!

  7. What I find is the utter dishonesty of hooten in economic terms to ask “who is going to pay for it”. Dishonest and not a little ideological purity – which he and his ilk are prone to (ask a gypsy). Stupidity could also be part of it – but who going to say he’s a stupid cunt out loud to often, hooton knows the pc crowd are not going to.

    Why is “who is going to pay for it” the most stupid statement anyone with half a brain has heard? Well to make it means hooton missed the USA came up 2 trillion dollars to pay for failed ventures in their neck of the woods. Again is he so stupid he does not understands interest rates, or the magic word that appears in front of economy – political.

    Economies work by political will. Fantasy economies which make profit the dominate desired in an economy, are headed for the scrap heap.

    Only the dumb and down right stupid think that events of this short shut down is going to save their ideology in the face of it’s utter inability to cope. Oh it will drag on for a few more years because people like hooten lie really well, plus dumb fucks, listen to dumb fucks.

    But it’s done. Only problem is will people want to be free, or carry on as slaves.

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