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  1. Poor misguided Smalley

    The Kids she is writing about for the most part, have missed out on affection, on literacy, on personal esteem, on achievement.

    Putting them into brootal camp will only compound those losses and screw the kids into further deprivation.

    Unbeknown to Ms Smug Smalley, kids as well as adults need affection, fun, attention, tuition, tasks, encouragement, confidence and soul.

    I would have thought the so called father of numerous children would have had a rough idea of the needs of kids.

    What a fool I am to think that Billy English is worth even a shit. As for Smalley – why not care for a child as distinct from destroying one. ?

  2. You have been too generous by at least half Martyn. With her rabid views on disadvantaged youth and support of state thuggery, Ms Smalley should have been left on her Outward Bound island for at least 14 years so she could make a properly informed judgement. God knows how she would have coped with living in a youth residence – probably, no differently to those who used to abscond from State institutions, then who stole vehicles and burgled properties for food and clothing so that they could go back to the less violent environments they had learned to survive in.

  3. That is appalling, Ranginui Walker says it all. It will be brutal that is what these kids and they are kids will get. There won’t be love and serious caring which is ultimately what they need and want. and frankly that dam woman bennet was on the radio saying before there is no reason for kids of 12 and 13 to be out at night.

    Apparently she knows it all. Seems to me she has missed something, some of them will be safer being on the streets. But then Paula who couldn’t cope with her child, her studying and working, simply went back on the benefit back in day.

    I find it quite tedious that these various jocks on radio also seem to have columns in the paper and some of them tv as well. There are other people who would like jobs I am sure, probably way more capable than the shock jobs. And while I am about it when are we going to have some ‘real’ people on ‘The Panel’…… Mora and co probably don’t know any he and his cohorts are all living privileged lives themselves.

  4. Welcome to little America. Facist government and corrupt press. Times have changed. Unfortunately there is nowhere better to go or I would be there.

  5. At this stage I’m pretty sure the introduction of public floggings would be met with rapturous applause by the majority our fellow countrymen. Indeed, I’m confident a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty would also pass. You continue to underestimate how far we have fallen from anything resembling a nation that celebrates forgiveness and empathy.

    1. Indeed, I’m confident a referendum on the reintroduction of the death penalty would also pass.

      I strongly suspect you’re right on that, Nitrium. All it would take is for another mass-shooting such as we had in the 1990s, or a brutal murder, a month out before election day – and a certain populist politician would make maximum capital from it. He’d be calling for a referendum on the issue.

  6. The broader topic here should be: why does anyone think newsreaders are knowledgeable enough on any topic to be competent social commentators?

    Hillary Barry, Mike Hosking, Jack Tame, Ali Mau etc – all of them regularly contribute to written media because they somehow have become experts on any topic through mostly reading the news? Complete and utter rubbish.

    1. Having watched and listened to more ‘news’ on TV and radio over many years, I agree, there seems to be a strange belief by some, that newsreaders actually know about what they blabber on about.

      Most have no clue about what they read out, they get the stuff put in front of them, off the online services that dominate global and local news, it has all been pre censored kind of, and some do not even know how to correctly pronounce foreign names of localities or persons.

      Appearance seems more important than what they have between their ears.

    2. mattk said: ‘The broader topic here should be: why does anyone think newsreaders are knowledgeable enough on any topic to be competent social commentators?’

      aye..!..they are fucken auto-cue readers..nothing more..

      most of the words they use not even their own..

  7. Smalley seems to thing that the lives of Young Offenders is somehow akin to Outward Bound and “being physically and mentally pushed beyond anything I’d ever done before”?

    The is so damned hilariously stupid.

    No, there is no comparison. At the end of her three days at OB, she got to go back to her comfortable, secure, middle class existence.

    Young Offenders get to go back to the damaged domestic environments that created their lives in the first place.

    What a sick joke.

  8. The courses run just a few years rack had one instructor running around being obscene in front of teenage girls and boys. The military did not deal appropriately with the instructor regarding his running naked around the kids. The military promoted him.

  9. They are not kids- they are brutal. You left of left idiots would cross the street if you were approached by them. They are hard nosed criminals who need different options and choices. The military offers – a family environment a brotherhood culture, which is more appealing than gang culture. Military will help to shape hearts and minds and build a culture where they care about community and will care about society. The military is about war, but it’s about safety and aid in times of disasters and turmoil. These kids have an opportunity to change their lives through discipline and nurturing they will get in an environment they will be tough – and one they will respect. If it’s too easy they won’t care.

    1. Dumb shit – gangs and the army have very similar cultures – only difference is that the gangs have a flatter management structure.

    2. Gee that is unusual someone in the army who knows that the military are about war and killing people, that’s a first.

    3. I bloody agree. What would you wankers suggest? Leaving this evils little c**ts to their own devices? Throwing them in jail? I’m tired of the little shits. Like military man said, we’re not talking about kids, we’re talking about loose units who would roll you idiots without a second glance.

  10. the result of nearly 200 years of colonial boot on their throats… whats the solution? more boot..

    Go back to the 17th century with your bourgeois ultracrepidarianism.

  11. White, middle class, affluent – the predominant traits of the media elite who vilified Metiria Turei. They have as much in common with the poor, the struggling, the homeless, the powerless, as we do with a bacteria.

    No wonder they attacked and destroyed her, she was an alien to them. A very threatening alien.

  12. All you people who have the answers please tell us what they are instead of rubbishing others efforts.

  13. Army the problem and aroha and sport the solution:

    I once interviewed a Rangatira of Blackpower . He was born, an East Coast maori living in poverty, booted out for bad behavior from his strict family, as a boy. After early years in borstal horror he found himself in burnham military camp where he learnt the discipline and tactics of warfare.

    He was iscolated and lonely as a north island maori and found family in a group of friends he visited in Christchurch in weekends.

    Soon his army training made him king pin and he became their leader. Blackpower was then a ruthless Motorbike gang whanau with big business in drug dealing. His life was equally powerful in and out of prison until finally in old age he had enough.

    He decided to stop the cycle.
    When I met him he had studied psychology at canterbury university as a mature student, was training potential gang kids to play rugby instead and keep away from drugs. He was a family man who loved his mokapuna and worked parttime for a laundromat when he needed some money. He was a true Rangatira in the best sense, and particularly lovely to me.

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