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  1. I am not surprised at all by these breaches of privacy. We live in a country where beneficaries are persona non grata. The media builds up a picture of fraudulent, lazy, drug taking, drunk, incompetent solo parents. And the public love it. The government spends as much chasing solo parents for fraud as it does chasing corporate fraud, that must change change.

    1. Agreed. The right wing media including the likes of Hosking etc and its brain-washed numb-skull readers love to apply these labels to all beneficiaries when many are nothing of the sort.

      The only thing I disagree with you on is your last comment. I think the government or rather MSD chases single parents more than they do corporate fraud and further, does everything it can through MSD to humiliate those single parents – see Jody Joseph’s comment below. Absolutely appalling.

  2. Well done AAAP!

    What a filthy, sadistic outfit MSD/WINZ have become since governments in the 80s and 90s began to view people seeking assistance as a hostile undeserving group.

    “Tip Offs” are an indication of a nasty “junior Stasi” like culture that has seen beneficiary bashing seemingly become the second most popular sport in NZ. Sure some “tip offs” may be vindictive ex’s, but not thousands of them! No it is because lower paid resent the even the pittance beneficiaries may receive if they can get through the MSD punishment maze.

    The sooner all benefits are individualised, the better. The 1964 Act is so out of kilter with the realities of how people organise their lives in 2019. Full time, stable, employment–gone, nuclear families with one “bread winner”–long gone!

    Ultimately MSD/WINZ should be retired for good, and replaced with Universal payments of some kind, credits, free wifi and public transport, etc. And a side issue is further use by state agencies of third party investigators.

    1. Disagree,Tiger Mountain, it’s not the lower paid who resent beneficiaries. It’s the nouveau rich. Poor people are generally very good at looking out for each other, and very kindly to others. In my experience they are also more honest than the monied.

      It’s the Hobson’s Pledge mentality, and that mindset also wants the Treaty abolished, opposes the minimum wage,opposes all benefits, is still crucifying Sue Bradford for trying to stop NZ’s children being beaten up,refers to Helen Clark as childless (!!) and criticises Ardern for allegedly putting her career before her child’s interests. Oops. And they think all Muslims – bar the one in the local coffee shop – are coming to get them.

      They scream like slaughterhouse pigs at their money going to help the undeserving poor and live in very small bubbles, and interestingly, seem oblivious of the boundaries which most of us learn unconsciously as we grow up.

      This is the petty rigid mentality that enables and triggers the MSD’s unacceptable behaviour, and it is often impossible to establish a constructive dialogue with them as they simply lack conventional reference points.

      We are edging more and more towards an Orwellian society, but I don’t recall even in Orwell, the odorous sewer-swimming of some of these MSD voyeuristic excesses.

      Nearly finished!

      The National Party is loaded with no-bodies, and attracts nobodies who think that having a bit of dosh somehow makes them posh, but it can make them look a little pathetic, and their negativity and hatreds suggest that they are probably not very happy chappies or chappesses.

      I don’t know why they beat up on beneficiaries, but it could be because they- not unreasonably – dislike themselves, and need to see shrinks.

    1. Unfortunately what is suggested as a UBI is worse than current benefits.

      Lets get real if a UBI is introduced we will STILL NEED WINZ BENEFIT’s.

  3. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing this morning! MSD breaks the law in ignoring privacy of beneficiaries and NO ONE is held to account?

    Wtf??

    Heads must roll. But I forget, this is No Zealander. No one is ever held responsible in positions of power. Only those at the bottom. Like beneficiaries.

    If Ardern doesn’t find out who is responsible for this abomination, she is no better than the National govt that allowed this to happen.

    1. @SAMWISE – while they are about it, bother to do something about the spying on people like Nicky Hager etc… who also have their privacy breached, paid for by the taxpayers and covered up by government.

    2. Where is the PERSONAL REPONSIBILITY from MSD executives that they demand incessantly from welfare recipients??

      Prepare a very large carpet at MSD national office

      A truckload of bullshit is about to be swept beneath it

    3. Why do you think when you sign up for a benefit they want access to your social media. This bullshit above is why.

  4. Not sure about the UBI the benefit system can work pull the benefit got her degree with a TIA same as me i got help so the benefit system can work. But we had a government that allowed all that bullshert to happen national have always been bene bashers while selling all our assets and cutting our social services and then wondering why the fuck people aren’t improving their social status. In the meantime the farmers get all the help in the world despite not following rules with stock, businesses get cheap foreign labour and beneficiaries get the bash same old shit.

  5. On the issue of beneficiaries… a decent article by spinoff about beneficiaries working… apparently they can take home as little as $2 an hour because of punitive benefit abatements etc.

    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/15-05-2019/it-beggars-belief-that-were-still-doing-this-to-people-clawing-their-way-off-welfare/?fbclid=IwAR2wYyowARqK5W9DZmqEEwHY5ZsuiAPzDqCcLlIm7Svt75R2lGa2x43AsV8

    Fix it now! Like gun laws! Who aint against getting people into work from the lefties to the righties! Obviously expecting people to work at $2 p/h is just as bad the other routs on labour like the immigration ponzi’s…

    Really makes you think that the idea that business can’t get people to work low end jobs in NZ is not exactly true…. they just are expected to work for $2 p/h by the look of it and not taking up the ‘generous’ (sarcasm) offer.

    Government just don’t get it. There are a lot of risks working now because you can be fired or made redundant at the drop of a hat. If you are on a benefit that then leaves you weeks on a stand down and out of pocket on expenses you needed to get to work. The paperwork is huge as well, so not exactly easy if you have literacy issues to get back on the benefit etc… this is how many people drop further down into poverty and dysfunction and homelessness and just think stuff it, and take drugs, do self harm acts etc!

    Everyone should be able to get income up to $500 – $600 p/w in my view before any taxes because that is what you now need to live on and more in places like Auckland. It’s easier to do that than have all these benefits for every occasion from WFF to accomodation supplement.

    Solving poverty ain’t as hard as people think! Allowing NZ citizens a decent income without putting in huge punitive and bureaucratic stoppers, is the first start!!!

    If they did that the government would save money, because at present for every low paid migrant worker and hundreds of thousands are flooding in yearly, we seem to be getting triple the problems, more low cost spouses, more kids who need education, more benefits needed to be paid out, more infrastructure needed, more jails/lawyers etc if it all goes wrong, and then at the same time the taxpayers are supporting the local beneficiaries and all the social care they need, who are not working that job because of abatements, while our government seems happy to pay four times the social costs for a foreign workers and their families to receive welfare here!

    Then the immigration lawyers are lobbying to get the aged migrant parents into NZ for free super, free medical, and free rest home care for the rest of their lives paid for by NZ taxpayers whose own parents and kids are dying or being disabled while getting worse care here!

    What is even worse, the reciprocal countries offer nothing like the same benefits to NZ workers from Australia, China, Phillipines… the only reciprocals arrangements seem to be in Europe in terms of like for like welfare systems for foreign workers, and they are groaning over the strain as well and cutting down!

    Things have to be fair, if you get loads of benefits in places like NZ and Europe for the low waged then more low waged people will be flocking there creating a Ponzi, while the locals welfare gets less and less, housing is strained, crime increases and less care for the local beneficiaries who are most vulnerable , like the disabled and who are the easy political targets…

    Happened in the UK and happening in NZ. And if we get another right wing government into NZ like the Natz, the benefits will be reduced further as more and more people are able to access them, creating unsustainable demand.

    Also the bad working conditions means that many of the migrants are now on ACC… so nothing good is happening from the Ponzi, and more strain on our resources in NZ while enabling neoliberalism.

  6. Reported on the RNZ website today:
    “In one instance, a beneficiary described to us how MSD obtained, from a telecommunications company, an intimate picture shared by that individual with a sexual partner. The photograph was then produced at an interview by MSD investigators seeking an explanation for it.”

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