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  1. Pretty much everything except breathing air here is already been long ago reduced to being “a privilege, not a right”, including, but not limited to, gun ownership. e.g. Owning a house, renting a house, getting a job, driving a car, getting a passport, getting a good education – not a single one of the things I listed above is a “right” in New Zealand. We seriously need a Constitution that protects unalienable, self-evident bonafide rights.

    1. I think we go one of two ways. We either deminate power done to council level put giving them greater revenue generating powers and more local body council and community boards, or we strengthen central government with an upper house. Or we stick with the status quo.

  2. Stop P trafficking and get the guns off the gangs before you kick law abiding firearms owners more.
    Police had a 60 percent inaccuracy rate last time they ran a register.
    Now they say they want one again, right after they charged the shooter with murdering someone who was still alive.

    How horrifically ironic that gangs were “ protecting” the mosque afterwards, while some of the woke left even wanted responsible gun owners to have their movements tracked. Some gang members have even been allowed gun licenses ffs. Just to spell it out, illegal gun use is overwhelmingly a gang issue not a licensed gun holder issue.

    The semi auto ban is widely accepted ( loose policy tidy up from previous governments ineptitude) how about extending the new feeling of brotherhood to all law abiding kiwis who have done no wrong, including those who have the (agreed) privilege to own arms? Licensing checks, when done properly are already quite in depth.
    It’s far easier to call for others to lose civil liberties than your own, especially for no good reason.

    1. +100 …good points…those that modify guns to be automatic are usually up to no good and are the real threat

  3. “Stop P trafficking and get the guns off the gangs before you kick law abiding firearms owners more.”

    Wasnt the ChCh shooter a “law abiding firearms owner”, until he wasn’t??

    1. You sound like the Police.
      “ Everyone is a criminal waiting to happen.” No love thy neighbor from you.
      The guy was a foreign national who obtained a firearms license and guns with criminal intent, so no not a law abiding kiwi gun owner.
      I notice you didn’t comment on the gangs.

      1. “The guy was a foreign national who obtained a firearms license and guns with criminal intent, so no not a law abiding kiwi gun owner”

        KEEPCALMCARRYON (caps cos i copy & pasted) he had a license thus he was a ” law abiding gun owner”. Whatever intent he had was known only to himself, as is with ALL ” law abiding gun owners”. There is no part of a gun licence application which asks whether or not your intent is criminal or not.

        By definition every person who gets a gun licence is lwwful. Whay goes on in their mind is unknowable

        “I notice you didn’t comment on the gangs”

        Because I think its a red herring, IMHO

        I’m not trolling you. I generally think your comments are amongst the good ones on this blog. I just happen to disagree with you

        1. It’s cool to disagree. I’d say there are 250 000 people who wouldn’t like you painting this guy as a law abiding gun owner when he clearly was not of good character to hold a license or a kiwi.
          The lefts answer to things they don’t understand is to regulate the other guy.
          I’ve got genuine misgivings on what a gun register will do, and on police association motives.I suspect we are getting a register either way.

          If you were my neighbour (and if it didn’t cause offence) I’d drop you around some venison to try and smooth the waters/buy you off 🙂

          1. “I’d say there are 250 000 people who wouldn’t like you painting this guy as a law abiding gun owner when he clearly was not of good character to hold a license or a kiwi.”

            Probably not, KEEPCALMCARRYON, but thats the basis upon which he got his license. Which then begs the question if there are other dodgy characters like him with gun licences and an unknown number of weapons

            I’d hate to think that

            I do get what you mean about being tarred with the same brush though

            “If you were my neighbour (and if it didn’t cause offence) I’d drop you around some venison to try and smooth the waters/buy you off ”

            Offence? None taken. As long as I provide the liquid refreshment? I think we’d have some good yarns over
            The backyard fence☺

    2. Well I’m Māori and cops would arrest me for fighting and instead of taking me to lock up they’d just drop me off at home and tell me to sleep it off. Not saying it’s lawful or anything but if we are going to give cops description then it’s on all of us to make statements and accounts and act post hast.

  4. What about the time factor? People will forget how bad this was and sink back into their uncaring ways. The old National voters won’t give a rats arse about all this. I predict 40% plus as usual come 2020. Sorry Martin I agree 100 with your wish list but reality is something else. I am usually wrong and hope so again.

  5. “I believe there is common ground for civic regulation of speech, but micro aggression themed hate speech would quickly become an onerous deadweight on democracy and counter productively become a source for toxic rebellion.”

    Thing is Martyn, what is “micro” for you and me might not be so trivial for a person of colour. Defining hate speech through the prism of the dominant majority could end up a very porous law

    However Stuff’s decision to remove hate & exrremist speech is a good start

    Its time to clean up behavoour that we wouldnt accept in face to face real life

  6. One other concern should be: How will we defend this land, once climate chaos will lead to massive global changes, affecting billions of people economically and socially?

    How will we deal with tens of thousands or more of climate refugees, who may one day indeed make it to our shores in whatever kinds of vessels, over treacherous seas?

    How will we deal with a potential threat by other states and their armies, navies and airforces, when they feel pressed to conquer new fertile lands they do not have, to feed their population, as climate change may have devastated their economy so they cannot feed their people?

    If you think that those potential ‘invaders’ that may actually become quite a reality within decades, can simply be fought off or managed by nice words to them, by embracing them like trees hugged by tree lovers, or by leaving it to an under funded NZ army, navy and virtually non existent airforce to deal with, then you live in fantasy land.

    Banning the possession of certain weapons may stop some potential criminals or mass murderers commit atrocities, but it will also leave our population unarmed, totally dependent on military and police for their defence.

    I feel this discussion must be had also, despite of the horror of Christchurch. If people are trained to use weapons responsible, and only for legally accepted, sensible purposes, then they can be trusted to have such arms.

  7. Disagree that National party supporters will switch to Labour for moral reasons. Their vote is purely based on selfish greed and what the party can offer them in the form of tax cuts, tax avoidance etc (along with the necessary welfare, education,and health cuts to fund it). That is the bottom line for National party voters-pure and simple! And they know that the party will deliver on this

  8. A classic column Martyn. Simple as that.

    Jacinda’s approach has sent ripples around the world whichever way you look at it. If re-elected the Neo Lib state sector tops and all the rest of it have to be dealt with as the political priority.

  9. The Media is complicit in creating islamophobia.

    How much attention is given to coverage of Muslim Terrorists compared to ‘white supremacists’.
    Where is the humanising coverage of Muslim victims (I mean generally, not this specific situation)
    Where is the coverage explaining WHY there are so many people on the move around the planet.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/20/muslim-terror-attacks-press-coverage-study

    And it goes deeper than that…our media indifference to shooting of Muslims by Israel..all the more ironic given a number of the ChCh victims were Palestinian.

    1. “And it goes deeper than that…our media indifference to shooting of Muslims by Israel..all the more ironic given a number of the ChCh victims were Palestinian.”

      HYPOCRISY galore, I note, in the MSM, same within our supposed ‘caring’ government.

      They still have warm ties with Israel (stuff the Palestinians back home), they still trade with Saudi Arabia (stuff that dissenting journalist that suddenly vanished into thin air, or perhaps acid liquid in or near the Saudi embassy or consulate in Istanbul).

      We get ample reporting about warm fussies that Jacinda gave the odd relative of victims, of fearful and shocked members of the Muslim community, but when it comes to real actions on other important matters, it is all just like ‘business as usual’.

      Where for instance is this government’s comment on Donald Trumps recent announcement to the effect, that the US supports Israel taking full control and ownership of the occupied Golan Heights???

  10. Its, the ECONOMY, stupid, the ECONOMY, that will in the end decide the coming election(s). This saga will soon vanish into history, and NZers, rich and poor, will focus again on the day to day challenges and interests they have.

    Globally the economy is slowing, that is slowing in growth.

    We still live in an almost totally fossil fuel powered economy that is hell bent on growth, yes without growth, the panic buttons get pressed, releasing loud sirens, which will be send out also by relay by the MSM.

    People worry about their jobs, about their incomes, about their assets, about this and that, so as horrific the Christchurch attacks were, they will fade into history.

    The NZ people, born and immigrated, they vote with their pockets, what is in them, or not, and what they want in their pockets, decades of neoliberal indoctrination have ensured this is the standard behaviour of the bulk of the population.

    All else is of a lower priority.

    Most will not be concerned with white supremacist fringe groups, although the terror attacks have heightened sensitivities in some. I note, most people carry on as per usual, go to work, earn their money, plan careers, study, save, spend and drink and eat and be merry at times at least.

    There were hundreds to thousands at some events, all good, but the majority stayed home, went about things as per usual, and did not sacrifice much time and effort in memorial and sympathy expressions.

    So let us get back to discuss also the pressing issues of our time, thanks, the courts will deal with this matter now, besides of what police and SIS and GCSB will do, some certainly to further curtail our rights to free expression and so forth.

    I note with concern that some former critics of GCSB and SIS now even call for more power to be given to them, while they have proved again and again, they are not able to detect and prevent certain hideous actions.

    The same happened in the US, in Europe and so, and still, there were attacks, bomb blasts, assassinations and the likes.

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