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  1. The supreme irony in all of this is that Jacinda could utilise the 70% (for now), massive public support for not “letting COVID rip” to sit NZ National, ACT, the employing class, petit bourgeoisie, and aggrieved travellers caught in bubbles and MIQ on their collective arses.

    Just as she could have used the absolute, once in a generation, MMP Labour Parliamentary majority to institute a basic income paid through IRD to all citizens, state house mega build, and vicious capital gains tax on property bludgers.

    But hey, ignore the focus groups and polls when it suits the neo liberal ideology obviously. I don’t support Govt. by focus group but it is interesting to speculate on what has caused the PM to deviate from her previous dedication to such opinions.

    1. The high support for lockdowns was largely contingent on the availability of the vaccine (or lack thereof), and the further we climb that hill (getting there) the more that support will waft away, like a COVID-laden exhalation in a turbulent Auckland westerly.

      Labour will also be acutely aware that its most durable core of support appears to coincide largely with those areas which are most evidently (rather than performatively) bucking the lockdown regime. It would be naive to neglect the partisan split in the pro- and anti-lockdown camps, and political folly to assume that Labour’s voters are in lockstep with the leadership on this issue.

    2. Heh, well you can slice into the Govt. but what is your motley crew going to do instead?

      Chris “Bishflap” admitted on Radio NZ this morning that he generally supported the Govt. approach so far, and it seemed he was just trying to point score over the timing of signing up to Pzifer vaccine.

      So what is Nashnull’s plan apart from double orders of body bags?

      1. Frank, you righties thought the pretty communist was useless before she was even elected . How many times have you been proved wrong since? And just in case you haven’t noticed, your party has gone down the toilet.

  2. We’ll get to 90% vaccination, and then panic in 6 months as the vaccine start’s to wear of. A very well documented case study out of Israel show what we can expect to happen here at about 6 months in the future (given this is about how long the vaccine apparently lasts and that our mass vaccination program in New Zealand happened over a very short period meaning it will also wear off over a very short time frame):
    https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.39.2100822
    Now as restrictions ease in Europe we’re discovering this:
    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-021-00808-7?error=cookies_not_supported&code=3efdf7cb-a111-48ce-a8e6-7b085236e4a1
    The “if only everyone is vaccinated” mandates that are being coerced/forced all over the world will likely spectacularly fail in achieving the (presumptive) goal of eliminating the virus. It may buy some time however – especially when it comes to hospitalisations and deaths though (hopefully enough to discover how to better treat the forthcoming severe CoVID cases). But the idea we’re going to eradicate CoVID with the current vaccines is pure fantasy.

      1. There’s more talk about us all being exposed to covid by Xmas. Those of us who have been double vaxxed may get a minor dose.That dose will up our immunity.
        Natural immunity plus vax is meant to be the very best

        1. Sure – 28 proteins rather than 1, lasts 12 months rather than 6-9 months then a booster.

          For mine, its not till April-May most will have been exposed, and only some will have had break through infections

    1. I’ll add to this that just today both Sweden and Denmark have suspended giving the Moderna vaccine to its younger populations. They are (presumably) only doing this because they know that the vaccine is doing more harm than good in this demographic.
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-07/sweden-denmark-moderna-covid-vaccine-pause/100519714
      It should be noted that the Pfizer vaccine works in the exactly the same way as the Moderna vaccine (i.e. they are both mRNA vaccines that force your body to create a lot of the virus’s “spike proteins”, which it turns out are in of themselves pathogenic), so I don’t expect that Pfizer’s vaccine will be any safer.
      https://portlandpress.com/bioscirep/article/41/8/BSR20210611/229418/SARS-CoV-2-spike-protein-S1-induces-fibrin-ogen

      1. However your first link states…

        Sweden recommends people born during and after 1991 use Pfizer/BioNTech’s Comirnaty vaccine instead. So given your analysis “so I don’t expect that Pfizer’s vaccine will be any safer.”, I find your summation extremely confusing?

        1. Yeah I see what you’re saying, and it’s just conjecture on my part. The technology and mode of action between the two vaccines isn’t different. The fact that only the Moderna vaccine is (so far) a cause for concern and the Pfizer vaccine is still fine is up in the air. Maybe Pfizer (or both) turn out to be fine. By all accounts the vaccines are a better alternative than catching the virus for the medium term for many people. My concern revolves mostly around what happens after that (especially the durability and long-term side-effects of these new vaccines).

          1. I take on board what you are saying and my issue is what are the long-term side-effects of the virus?

    2. “In summary, even as efforts should be made to encourage populations to get vaccinated it should be done so with humility and respect. Stigmatizing populations can do more harm than good. Importantly, other non-pharmacological prevention efforts (e.g., the importance of basic public health hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance or handwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper forms of testing) needs to be renewed in order to strike the balance of learning to live with COVID-19 in the same manner we continue to live a 100 years later with various seasonal alterations of the 1918 Influenza virus.”

      I think this perfectly sums up the Governments strategy. Whilst many “don’t like being told what to do and being treated like a child” during the 1pm presentations, no one can accuse the Government of not getting the above message across…

      “the importance of basic public health hygiene with regards to maintaining safe distance or handwashing, promoting better frequent and cheaper forms of testing”.

      So as Aircooledguy says…to the anti Government out there…”you know what they say about horses and water in in this case donkeys”.

  3. The vaccine message could have been sent out with a message that those not vaccinated by a certain date say end of November you could not travel on any public transport buses ferries planes could not visit any public facility like libraries swimming pools etc .
    Fiji had the right idea by saying any person paid by the public purse tax per or rate payer is no jab no pay.
    Now we are starting to get all uptight about using toilets which makes the government look stupid and losing control of the message which to be fair has worked to date but not anymore .

    1. If Martyn is depressed, paranoid and spreading this poison what say you of those organising and attending protest gatherings this weekend?

      “A prominent epidemiologist has dubbed the gatherings a “perfect storm”, which have the potential to become super-spreader events.
      Epidemiologist Professor Rod Jackson said the events, particularly those in Auckland and Waikato, had a number of worrying elements that could help rampant infection spread.”

      If Martyn is depressed, paranoid and spreading this poison what do you say of Dr Damian Wojcik of Northland?
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/covid-19-delta-outbreak-anti-vaccination-gps-hindering-northland-rollout/WCI3C6I6VZ3AMJRZJEW54LY2YA/

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