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  1. China is Imperial Japan on growth hormones waiting to kick off. Bring back ANZUS.

    1. Many will just put this comment down to Sinophobia but as someone who has written a thesis on the rise of China and its potential threat to it’s regional neighbours I personally think it is very valid.

  2. We need anti-ship missiles to defend against American naval forces. China has some of the best out there.

    1. Looks like you might be living in the wrong country Mo (if you even live in NZ) – might be time to go back to Shitholeistan (surely you are missing living somewhere where women have zero rights and you throw gay people off buildings)?

        1. Do women in Muslim counties in fact enjoy the same liberties and rights as men and are they ‘accepting’ of LGBT people?
          If I am in fact wrong about this feel free to provide evidence (or bury your head back in the sand).

  3. Whatever you are taking is certainly good for your imagination. The major problem is that it conflicts with the knowledge that the USA combined with apostate religion will be the last persecuting power in this world.

    1. Interesting mix of power from the west – phantasmagorical; faux-spiritual with delusional force and physical, material unbridled force to obliterate.

  4. US Imperialism remains the greatest threat to world peace with 800 publicly discoverable offshore military bases and spy facilities, most jammed up against their rivals territory. China would be lucky to have 5 offshore facilities. The yanks chums are no better…The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation will soon have to include Pacific in its title…NATO has already bombed the crap out of Libya in the interests of US Oil. AUKUS, really? nuke submarines for Australia just what the region needs. Other acronyms are emerging too to include Japan and others in the US china offensive.

    It is sickening to see the thickos, and genuine yank lovers, choose “their” imperialist power over the other imperialist powers. The working class internationalist position is–neither Washington, Moscow or Beijing. Workers always cop it in inter imperialist rivalry and conflict.

    Anyway, the USA is full of it as Chris points out in the areas of free trade, travel, work in the US. In general terms China builds, literally, when it engages internationally, whereas the Americans typically invade and exploit.

  5. The Treaty of Rarotonga does not prevent or prohibit nuclear powered submarines. The Treaty is about nuclear weapons.
    There was no way, except under a government by the Greens and Te Pati Māori, that New Zealand would kick up a big fuss about Australia acquiring nuclear powered submarines.
    Not unless New Zealand was going to terminate the alliance status between Australia and New Zealand. That would also result in Australia terminating CER and the free access of New Zealanders to Australia. Maybe even a Green and TPM government would think that a step too far.

    1. Geez Trevor. Check our spend relative to OECD. Terrible for meds but overall healthcare we are way up there. Your National mates will look to spend less.

  6. But what would one even get out of a U.S. Free Trade Agreement? China will show up and build high speed rail, wide expressways, ports, giant buildings, and pretty much anything else you might ask for. Is the U.S. even capable of such megaprojects? They’re not providing any such development to anyone — just ask the Germans how much “help” they are getting.

    There is also a near-zero chance that the U.S. would ever help rebuild domestic advanced industry. They were the architects of the dramatic post-1980s economic regression, and the #1 beneficiary of this Mont Pèlerin Society globalism.

    Right now, China ships over huge quantities of finished goods, and the U.S. sends back increasingly worthless pieces of paper. The U.S. is incapable of replacing Chinese production in the event of a New Iron Curtain, and must somehow expand sweatshop production in her neo-colonies; price levels will skyrocket, and domestic living standards will go into another round of collapse.

  7. Are you ok Chris?

    Genocide of the Uighurs is well documented by first hand accounts.

    China’s ambitions on the global stage are clear, not some ‘US imperialist dream’.

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    1. We are trying not to be a doormat for everything that the imperial powers plot and plan for us, in order to use us to their own advantage.

  8. I dpn’t quite see a comparison between using British money to develop a completely undeveloped NZ , and the need for any outside funding to redevelop now. We are as advanced an economy as any other now. I would prefer to remain as independent as possible and work wit all other countries in our mutual interests. We surely don’t need to join AUCUS to keep talking to the US , and surly we don’t need to stop trading with Chjna. There is no way the US is going to stop trading with China.
    D J S

  9. I’m with you Chris Trotter.

    USA won’t just accept that it’s century-long monopolisation of the sun is over and that they are in terminal social and economic decline, domestically and internationally. All as a result of their own ideologies.

    Unfortunately they’re quite prepared to take everybody down with them to hinder the emergence of China as the world’s premier economic engine.

    It’s unwise to side take a side in their manufactured conflicts, particularly so when they haven’t in the longer term any real hope of preserving the 20th century hegemony that they so exploited.

  10. I for one don’t want NZ sold to the Chinese or anyone else for that matter. Haven’t we done enough of that? The British capital comparison is a bit simplistic and needs to be put in the context of time. At the end of the day China is a dictatorship. Whatever the US are does not change that.

    1. You might want to check out the history of the NZ meat processing companies since inception. Ownership resided offshore, profits went offshore.

    2. Wheel, words to the effect of “Whatever the US are at least it’s not an authoritarian state” (or similar) are so often used its worth thinking a bit more about what it really means. In my observation the term authoritarian state (or dictatorship) is used as a label for a much hated concept while forgiving the other (in this case US, or it could be the west, UK etc) for its sins.

      But when you look at the history since the second world war at the misery different countries have inflicted on the world and then that US spend more on military each year than the next 10 countries put together then you really need to reevaluate your apology for the US. Even looking since 9/11 it’s estimated that the US revenge/lash back has cost 4.6M human lives, almost all of them innocent.

  11. Or maybe Chris, we shouldn’t have made our economy reliant on a dictatorship that operates concentration camps?

    1. Nor Andrew subservient to a country that runs the world’s largest “prison industrial” complex, which according to Wiki incarcerates up to 1.7 million, of whom 40% are black.

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