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  1. Hey, well. If the government wants to know what beneficiaries get up to in the bedroom. Then I want to know what the government got up to in Afgahnistan. Y’know? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. And of course parliament should be held to higher standards, correct? Eh, so release the video.

  2. You eat that shit sandwich with a nosepeg and a blindfold on then u sack of shit

      1. To qualify as a yarn of any dimensions, you would need to establish 1) that the NZDF set out to deliberately kill Afghan civilians, and 2) that Jon Stephenson is lying. Not easy. A much easier task would be to establish that the NZDF went to great pains to cover-up the events of 21-22 October 2010.

        1. Yes, to date we’ve seen a lot of accusations from Mr Hager of a “cover-up” and a “conspiracy” but thus far not a single piece of evidence to support this notion… It will be fascinating if the Inquiry indeed finds anything, or if Mr Hager’s pronouncements turn out to be hollow?

          1. Your accent reads as centre right leaning with a little bit of anger. I could be wrong that’s just my impression of your comments on this blog.

            Chief of the Defence Forces from Jerry Mateparae to Jones and Keating was always managing and softening the public up for a big reveal. Standard SAS operating procedure (and Mateparae and Keating are former commanders of the SAS) is to always have an exit plan.

            They were planning a big reveal anyway, in small increments so the public had time to adjust to allegations of war crimes.

            So if this was all planed then the public should be less outraged.

            But if it wasn’t planned then the public will be significantly more outraged.

          2. Hi Sam – I’m certainly not angry, must just be my stilted writing style. I’ve tried to view the detail provided from both sides, and it leads me to think there are huge problems with the book Hit and Run.

          3. Hope you don’t mind how Iv laid out my reply, moving right along.

            A culture of evil exists when we play these freaky games that say well, Niki Hager and Jon Stephenson aren’t that good at journalism because there timeline of children being ended in extrajudicial murder isn’t, well isn’t perfect.

            The Defence Forces Chiefs had very convoluted plans. We know how they planned because NZDF pressers was on the television for everyone to see.

            But the plan wasn’t convoluted for the sake of being convoluted.

            What successive Defence Force Chiefs was doing with Hager and Stephenson was playing this game of chess with them where the Defende Chiefs had all the information.

            So the defence Chiefs could think 10 moves ahead while Hager and Jon could only think 5 moves ahead.

            No matter how convoluted the the information surrounding these extrajudicial murders can only make sense of the Defence Force Chiefs was playing a very deep game.

            It’s incredibly infuriating having your major pieces who are incredibly smart move against pawns for the sake of finding some guts.

  3. “botched, attempt to avenge a fallen comrade”

    There’s the problem. The raid was driven by the desire for revenge. The NZDF liked to think it was in Afghanistan for a peace keeping role. Naturally, the Taliban instead saw them as the enemy. The New Zealand felt themselves unjustifiably targeted, when in fact they were armed combatants in a theatre of war. If the NZDF had not tried to seek revenge, this would never have happened.

  4. The NZDF has publicly said it has passed over hours of video footage of the whole operation to the good judges. They have also said they’ve passed over intelligence gathered in the days and weeks after the operation. I suspect all of this is the evidence they have relied upon for saying those killed were all insurgents (and not civilians). Perhaps we need to be ready for the possibility that the military version of events will be confirmed by the Inquiry, and that it is not the soldiers that have erred, but the activists who sought to use this operation for their political ends?

    1. Crikey, unfortunately there was more than one event, and there was more than one visit to more than one village. There was a series of happenings and non-happenings.

      1. Sorry Snow White, but definitely only one village (with specific geo-special references also likely to have been supplied to the Inquiry with the other definitive evidence)… expect the good judges to also clarify that the book also botched something as simple as “where”!

  5. The death of the school teacher cannot be accounted for by the American chopper….As lead in the operation, the NZDF had the opportunity to match so called insurgents against legitimate civilians killed and wounded, on the night and the coming days after the series of incidents. The NZDF then had the opportunity to have put their hand up and admit the facts as they happened at the time that they had happened. Necessary humanitarian aide, compensation for those wrongfully killed, and a timely public apology should have been forthcoming at the time. The consequence however of the NZ public having become aware of the operation going wrong would have lead to an increased pressure from the NZ public for NZ to withdraw from the conflict in this zone. I am saddened by the NZDF’s inaction over such a long period of time and the lack of transparency that has been shown after several attempts in the past to have these matters addressed way earlier.

    1. The problem with your assessment is that it isn’t based on the known facts. There is nothing to suggest anything in this operation was “botched” but the claims by Mr Hager that it must have been. Military enter a village, look for insurgent leaders, they are not there, a number of insurgents who are seen arming themselves (including with RPG) and taking up offensive positions are killed by helicopters gun fire, and the patrol leaves. No botch there. Then you’ve got two stray bullets that hit the roof of a house. But there is no claim by the villagers that this house contained villagers or that this is how any villagers were killed, None the less, Nato say “civilian casualties were possible” from this event. We await the judges weighing up the villagers/Hager accounts, with the video evidence. I know which of the two my money is on!

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