One News Poll – National bleeding but not dead and why Labour wouldn’t go with only the Greens
Labour – 45% up 3
National – 43% down 2
Greens – 7% up 1
NZ First – 5% n/c
The only surprise in the poll is that the Greens went up (and I’d argue that was an anomaly). National lost 2 but the real movement is the sinking nature of Simon Bridges leadership as Judith Collins support rises. The damage to his leadership has been done and now it’s just a matter of time before the party turns to Judith to replace Bridges.
People thinking the Economy will get worse went up to 41% so we can drop the belief its just biased business wanting to skewer Labour.
This is a good poll for National, despite all the destruction, they just slipped 2 points.
The real damage here is to Simon Bridges and his leadership.
There have been some excited calls on Twitter that Greens plus Labour could be the Government which is just fantasy world stuff. After the flakiness of the Greens, Labour would never go into a coalition with only them. The strength of Key’s Government with ACT, United Future and Maori Party was that he could go left and right when he needed. Labour will always want to keep NZ First in the mix because being reliant on the Greens would be a recipe for disaster.
Could you imagine if the Deputy Prime Minister Marama Davidson called on white bros to delete themselves? The backlash would make the Orewa Speech look a reasonable discussion on race and politics.
Labour would be sobbing if they hadn’t gained from this meltdown and the danger for Simon now is what happens when JLR can get himself out of the mental health hospital he’s been sectioned to and restarts the civil war.
UPDATE: JLR has been released.
Jamie Lee Ross is now out and staying at a friends house.
“Friend”? Simon Lusk?
..well I hope he keeps spilling the beans and doesn’t let any wild ex-lovers distract him from the real business
Since politicians never mention the prime factors that will determine the future of the people who live here, I find it impossible to get enthusiastic about any of them.
Sadly. whichever party forms the core of the next government, we can be sure that the squandering of energy and resources will continue, that the Earth will continue to overheat (with global and local consequences) and official policy will be geared to causing more overheating not less, that the human population will increase, that pollution levels will continue to rise, that the quality of life will continue to fall, that costs will increase faster than incomes, and that the general populace will continue to be misled.
How can we get enthusiastic about any of that?
Good news. Also I seldom watch MSM but saw Newshub last night.
Jacinda and Andrew came across really well, sincere on the $$$ for MP’s and reforming the donations system, which clearly needs major reform aka ban political donations before NZ turns even more corrupt than we already are!
The amount it would take for the public to fund political parties, is minuscule like $10 million every 3 years, in the context of all the other routs like America’s cup for $200 million plus that apparently we need and they can’t use private money to fund (even though it is a billionaire sport???)
Noticed that Natz Goodfellow was there spinning. What a joke if he’s investigating the complaints from women against Ross and reforming Natz against women, as a little bird rumour is that he has been in trouble for beating up his wife. No charges of course. Go figure. With twists like that, no wonder the Natz are in decline.
42% of National supporters are comfortable with National, damned comfortable with this moral and ethical desert. Who is worse, Nat MP’s or their support base?
Business as usual. Does a bear shit in the woods? Good ol’ Claire Trevett, waxing lyrical this morning as to why Nationals reprehensible supporters are sticking with these animals. GIve me a break Claire!
But doesn’t this mess so thoroughly demonstrate what the National Party has become though?
Bridges etc would have known JLR to be a strange bugger. A reliable bagman, a womaniser and God knows what else. But these arseholes couldn’t spot an even bigger one in their midst such is the poison that is Nationals culture. And then the leak.
Knowing the level of dissent in his caucus Bridges then blamed the Speaker of the House for the leak. No proof just lies. How bad is that, smear the Speaker of the House knowing otherwise and divert attention?
When things went bad and the apparent leaker texted Bridges identifying himself and his tenuous mental state, i.e. suicidal, did National back off, no way, National doubled down. They redlined him didn’t they, see if he’s good for his threats and make that problem go away. That conclusively explains Bridges seemingly illogical rationale behind pursuing that leak enquiry. The longer it dragged on the more likely JLR would do something final.
What a bunch of crooks they are. Self preservation rates as the base instinct of a National MP, nothing else matters. When one of the chief smearers in Nationals line up went rogue, they went for the jugular.
Did Paula give a damn that JLR might end it whilst she overtly set about putting the boot in. Nah, not really. Nor Bridges, nor anyone in National.
This is the party in all its ethical and moral disgrace that wants to be governement again. And its supporters love this shit.
That poll didn’t ask if they were comfortable with any particular party, it asked who they would vote for if an election was held last week.
No one is talking about this but there are no other options for right wingers to vote for at the moment – so of course their numbers look high. A lot of the people who picked National might have stayed at home if the election was held last week.
I’d also want to know if the proportion of Dont Knows went up too.
both the only way there voter base got richer was by acting as rentiers and screwing the rest for the basics of life and looting the commons there scum nat voters are responsible for nine years of neglect and greed
One good thing from all this is we shouldn’t have to listen to anyone in Labour talking about targeting the ‘soft’ National voter.
Because there is clearly no such thing.
So maybe next time Labour or the Greens might just consider targeting the missing voters, hopefully before things get too much worse and the disenfranchised get scooped up by some sort of NZ Trump or Ukiper.
Spot on! No surprise National voters couldn’t give sweet fuck all about the wretched machinations of the inner workings of the party that represents them. By the way, isn’t vote buying illegal, what about candidate place selling – this is a big failing of the system we have of list MPs being able to ushered into the corridor’s of power for money (100K seems a bit cheap for that) in exchange for …in this case Chinese soft power. What rat finks the National party politicians are, and as if the whole world doesn’t know that’s a modus operandi China employs the world over.
Target missing voters.
Thought experiment:
A housing policy which puts the 30% of people who rent into a home which they own. A policy which provides a State Advances Corporation to create the finance, 30-40 year very low interest rate mortgages. Who would those people who never thought they would have a home of their own vote for, for the rest of their lives.
A salary at under seventy two thousand dollars a year can no longer sustain a family in Auckland. This view, In this day and age religion has passed us by where the individual has become privatised while in the public realm it has become largely vacant. I’m to young to be a gen X and to old to be a millennial but my generations are not as heroic as our parents and grandparents who after the Second World War rebuilt the societies the world over. In the last 40 years that individual quest has become central and ultimately unrewarding and hollow.
So there has to be a reawakening of the view that I constantly hope comes from the generations in school today and a return to the public realm where people with the highest aspirations and abilities seek fulfilment in social and human progress rather than through there own income or accumulated wealth. There’s nothing wrong with higher incomes and accumulated wealth but in the end with the guidance towards a return to big ideas, more integrated societies. I mean last century, the 20th century in World War Two New Zealand was seeking security FROM Japan. Now in the 21st century we seek security WITH Japan and all these instinctive goals of the past become rather hollow.
People get a sense of if you are wary or frightened of them. So the best way to demonstrate that you are unafraid or wary of them, but serving them is to keep the changes coming, always challenge people and extend them. If Bill English had of stayed on we would almost certainly have become a client state of Serco. If Hellen Clark had of stayed on we would have advanced Super contributions to the point of self sufficiency so we have to keep the changes coming and keep them consistent. We can’t leave these things unwanted and hollow. Once these things have been brought to an election and voted on we can then debate what kind of society we want to build and appoint those people to undertake the office work and then we can work on the shifting roadworks towards the Asia Pacific and a much better interlocking system of culture, entertainment, hospitality, urbanisation, travel, tourism, security and feelings with the countries around us and we need to try and nail every one of these changes.
State housing is apart of the spirit and culture of New Zealand. The low wage worker has a sovereign position in this country. No other class is asked to sacrifice there lives more than the underclass for the security and sovereignty of New Zealand. And they have and should have communities across the length and breadth of this country and I think the idea that the state should push them aside or forfeit them or force the assimilation of them into the pursuits of the individual is a strategic mistake of the highest order. It’s wrong and is across the spirit of New Zealand’s national security. Having the right to maintain ones own sovereignty and that of the whole nation as we where before the domination of European culture will give a new generation power and energy and wealth and there children will go to schools in a society that I’m always hoping will rise to the occasion and put every one in there backpacks and carry the change, and the friends they make in those school will assure each other’s position in New Zealand’s society.
Any financial view I think is wrong, misplaced and I hope it continues to evaporate in public life as people begin to find smarter friends.