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  1. Thomas And yet various people want voting rights extended to minors who don’t know what they’re doing. National ‘s Jenny Shipley was keen to get them drinking alcohol too, and she pulled that off okay.

    1. I bet you would send them down the mines though. And put them in prison for being gay.

  2. Perpetrators should be named, shamed and get a custodial sentence as a deterrent for future behaviours such as this.

    Okay, I’ll go first … Mike Hosking and Heather du Plessis-Allan.

  3. Martyn, ‘This is what we is now, this is what we have become’ is sadly so true. Nats and Act scream ‘lock them up’, which totally disregards the fact of that’s a major reason as to how we got in this mess – years of ignoring the damage our current penal system is doing.

  4. Just a point, the “KFC on the roof” incident was at Christchurch and the “fight club” case is at Manukau.
    Hardly likely to be related…….

      1. @Bonnie – you are correct, there were two KFC episodes. The self-righteous, entitled far right wing types who expressed moral outrage at the young people on the roofs of their facilities and who would have preferred to have had high powered hoses turned on them, or dragged down roughly and placed back out of sight, and who mocked them for having KFC/Fast Food do not care one iota that these young people were exposed to rough physical abuse, which when you look at it, was no doubt a factor in their upbringing.

        These moral outragers are the same fools who believe that if a person is charged with a crime, then they must be guilty; that Arthur Allan Thomas is still guilty if murder; that Teina Pora is still guilty of murder; that Allan Hall is still guilty of murder; and that these young people on the roofs of their respective facilities are guilty of whatever crimes they were alleged to have committed.

  5. To be honest, a lot of people on here wont be happy unless young offenders are actively tortured in these institututions.

    1. @ Millsy – yes, so right. You say it much more succinctly than I have just done in response to Bonnie.

  6. Its because people like you think that prisoners should be bashed, raped and shanked in our prisons by stronger prisoners because that is part of the punishment aspect of prison.

  7. The young offenders should have a personal training progran and learning how to do judo and then progress to karate would make them learn control and how to handle themselves when necessary.

    Then they could run workshops in parliament and MPs should have regular sessions until they have got up to 2nd belt status. This is to ensure that they don’t run to fat and develop unhealthy conditions while they are sitting listening to select committees and griping from their favouraite constituents.

  8. I believe everyone is outraged just it can’t be debated due to individuals being before the courts and obtaining name suppression. Otherwise Hosking, HDPA & co would be getting stuck in.

    Seriously? Do you actually believe that?

    The individuals should be named, shamed and get a custodial sentence as a deterrent for future behaviors such as this.

    Agreed.

    Moreover we should also be reviewing:

    1). Who appointed them in the first place
    They were hired, not appointed.

    2). Training, management and review of said individuals
    As has been pointed out in this blog and in articles in publications over the last few years, sounds like OT need more funding to do so.

    3). OT’s monitoring and quality assurance around these operations
    All you are suggesting is that more oversight and regulation is required, can you live with that?

    Let’s be honest 1,2 & 3 won’t happen due to a variety of reasons, some of which criticism of such will lead to inevitable cries of racism and lack of adherence to the ToW.
    There answered your questionable insights without reverting to calls of racism or ToW.

    New Amerikkka 101.

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