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  1. I imagined as the campaign for MMP was going on that it would result in minority governments. No party would get a majority and the result would be that decisions on all legislation would revert to parliament where it should be in my view, instead of all important decisions being made behind closed doors in cabinet involving only a handful of people in secret.
    I firmly believe that if the minor parties refused to enter coalitions and did not compromise on their policies democracy would be infinitely better served. And those minor parties would flourish.
    The objection would come that legislation couldn’t be passed and the work of government would be stalled. I think the approach to operating under that setup would change , there would be constructive debate in parliament instead of bickering and deriding the other side . Legislation that didn’t pass shouldn’t. And legislation that should pass would.
    D J S

  2. THE BIGGEST THREAT to Labour’s political survival is Labour deciding that it doesn’t need them (NZF/Greens).

    1. The National Parties fate was sealed when John Key declared he would not enter into a coalition with Winston.

    2. Labour wouldn’t do that. The biggest threat is people making up falsehoods like the article we are commenting on.

  3. Throughout my entire lifetime Labour has been a business-as-usual party, fully committed to facilitating the international bankers’ agendas.

    I understand that was not always the case, and that the labour movement of the early part of the twentieth century was very much concerned with changing business-as-usual.

    Now that business-as-usual has brought humanity to the brink of the collapse -that is a natural consequence of ignoring the mathematics, physics, chemistry and biology of the real world- we see that the Adern government is primarily concerned with promotion of yet more business-as-usual, to the detriment of EVERYONE, and especially to the detriment of those who follow us.

    ‘1.5°C of warming is closer than we imagine, just a decade away’

    ‘By 1.5°C, a sea-level rise of many metres, and perhaps tens of metres will have been locked into the system in the longer term. In past climates, carbon dioxide levels of around 400 ppm (which we exceeded three years ago) have been associated with sea levels around 25 metres above the present. And six years ago, Prof. Kenneth G. Miller noted that “the natural state of the Earth with present carbon dioxide levels is one with sea levels about 20 meters higher than at present”

    http://www.climatecodered.org/2018/04/15c-of-warming-is-closer-than-we.html#more

    1. I agree 100% AFKTT. Labour cannot please anyone on the left because they are only pretenders. The only thing they have going for them is that they aren’t quite as bad as National.
      The realities of cc are being ignored/denied deliberately because remedial action interferes with human greed.
      Of even greater concern to me is the threat of all-out war brought on by the Anglozionist’s modes of achieving world domination. We won’t have to do anything if we are all dead!

  4. If Labour doesn’t start delivering a bit for the ordinary working class Kiwi it will be toast which is why it needs to embrace sensible fiscal expansion as opposed to continued pointless austerity.

    Given a recession Labour will decline in popularity significantly like almost all of the other social democratic parties that embraced Third Wayism.

    Something populist and chaotic will emerge in its place.

  5. I’m not sure your analysis of the Labour Party as it is currently operating is entirely correct….the only supporting fact that stands out to me would be the reaffirming of the fiscal responsibility pledge…and that may soon be tested (or worked around)

    While a more radical and rapid move away from the status quo could certainly be attempted I think what Jacinda Adern (and I say that because I think she is the driving force) is attempting is a significant move while ensuring Labour dosnt move to far ahead of its support base WHILE assisting the other members of the coalition…as E-clectic misquotes..the biggest threat to Labours survival is indeed deciding it dosnt need NZ First or the Greens…something National and Steven Joyce discovered to their great displeasure.

    A little bit TINA may not go astray however, not in advancing the interests of the already well heeled (a la Douglas et al) but in the future of functioning society…and that will mean taking the flack from the corporate media and their paymasters and trusting the electorate.

  6. Regardless of your assumptions Chris Trotter. Labour has always said they need the Greens and NZ First, that will not change. Unlike National clinging to its backward FPP mentality, Labour understands MMP and will not abandon it.

  7. To: Chris Trotter

    Unfortunately MMP is a gateway for some quaint wayward minds, while FPP is a disciplined “pull your head in” troop.

    National is a totally untalented lot; but it looks and feels good, even when it flops around and lies like a Trooper.

    So Labour under Jacinda – and Andrew Little, will be proud of Maori Support, NZ First – and The Greens.

    Even this day, Labour’s Minister for Business Mr Nash, has managed to get Fonterra to pay their debts to Contractors within a reasonable time frame. A big break through.

    Chris, I think we have a good current Government.

      1. Yes, this is not an arrogant Labour government like the Clark government was, who did disdain the minor left and so ostracized Maori that the Maori party was born, and then joined up with National. I am glad those bad old days are gone. Viva La Adern, she gives me hope, a wonderful thing, that real directional change is gonna come, socially and environmentally. It has to and everyone knows it

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