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  1. You’re right. Mostly what people want is to be housed, fed, healthy and treated fairly. Things Labour were elected on.

    They’ve given up entirely on housing, an unforgivable disgrace, and more or less by virtue of the former, people lower down are unlikely to be fairly treated and less likely to be healthy, each week incrementally worsening.

    Instead they give us precisely what we did not ask for, abysmal totally unnecessary legislation carrying big prison terms. It’s all these dipsticks can manage.

    From the PM down, get your heads out of your arses and start delivering on what you promised and stop wasting everybody’s time with fuckwit social engineering. Either that or give up.

    And how the fuck did the useless Green Party go up? How?

  2. Sue Moroney’s comments just threw fuel on the fire, didn’t they. Not a lot of self-awareness there.

    1. But…. remember how people used to buy into the equally stupid right wing racist mantra,” If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.”

      Stupid comment by Moroney in the current political climate though.

      1. Or “If you’ve got nothing to hide, you’ve got nothing to worry about”

        Or “Hate speech, when you see it you know it”

        Lot of stupid going on, indeed 🙂

  3. I think being homeless and hopeless and unable to ever be able to own a home in your own country whilst the traitor who said she would fix rising house prices lied directly to our faces may affect the party calling itself Labour more than the free speech fiasco. Greedy selfish people vote right, greedy selfish people now also vote left. Genuine caring and empathetic people have no party to vote for. Not in this greed fuelled country anyhow.

    1. Yep, Ex-Labour, you are correct. Okay, National created this problem of oversubscribed NZ and they are the ones that left us all jam-packed like sardines in a burning hulk spiraling towards oblivion, but the ultimate frustration is the cockpit full of blinky-eyed squawking chooks that haven’t got a clue how to put out fires!

      Kiwi people traditionally like to have their own homes, and while a rental can make a nice home it’s also nice to feel the sense of security that belonging to a patch of land and some buildings can bring, even if it’s a fragile dream. Everyone needs a home where we can live, belong, and share, and it is utterly tragic and dangerous to see so many people now homeless, and increasingly hopeless.

      It’s a terrible thing that among the tens of thousands of New Zealanders for whom hope is some sort of sad, alien concept, there are growing numbers of children inflicted in their mother’s womb with foetal alcohol spectrum disorders, meth addiction and worse. Children being violently attacked and abused. Damaged, broken kids who face lives of abject misery and with little or no hope of ever escaping. Too many dying hopeless. Seeing and hearing about children like this and seeing and hearing constant, infuriating reminders of the failures of successive NZ governments to work effectively to solve social problems, it’s hard to imagine NZ avoiding a kind of ultimately tragic reckoning.

      Hopelessness, like Covid, is a potent contagion but unlike Covid, hopelessness is not as quick to kill and it doesn’t necessarily need to kill the human machine to wipe the humanity from it. Hopelessness is also far reaching. People who have nothing, and have nothing to gain, have nothing to lose. Why wouldn’t someone lash out at a system that hates them, or the people in that system? That’s when rich people get stabbed and burgled. That’s when rich people start reading that gangs are recruiting record numbers of new gangsters.

      I voted for ACT in the last election solely on the basis that Labour shafted firearms license holders. Certain things the govt did after the Christchurch shootings made me sit up and take notice, and I told people “Holy shit, look what the politicians are doing to those folks. They’re just ignoring everyone’s rights and treating them like absolute dirt, threatening them, and vilifying them to distract the rest of NZ from certain unattractive realities.” The law changes themselves were bad enough alright, but they were actually overshadowed by the devious methods employed to pass them. ACT were the only people in parliament who stood up for what was right, and though it may well have been a cheap pitch for a couple of hundred thousand votes – ask NZ First whether it worked!

      So yeah, it might have been Judith Collins 10% better off now – if she hadn’t behaved so reprehensibly during the First Tranche “consultations” (three days of utterly cynical faux democracy), but she did, so she’s not.

      And Labour – well, if the rest of NZ had backed the shooting community – all the plumbers, posties, lawyers, electricians, farmers, bankers, wives, husbands, partners and lovers and everyone else that has a legitimately earned firearms license here in NZ, all Labour’s subsequent failures, wastes, and travesties could have been sorted out a lot sooner. After all, it became blatantly obvious during its political firearms law meddling that this govt had set up to do business in the sort of way that didn’t involve any real level of democracy. Trouble was, most people were too busy laughing at gun owners to notice.

      I am worried as hell about this country’s political landscape right now. I might yet simply vote again for ACT, for the same reason as last time, but it would piss me off hugely if I felt forced to do that because the rest of the options remain so bleakly uninspiring.

      Hopeless.

  4. Winston may be able to attract those ladies back . I doubt if he would go with Labour again if he got back into power. So much of Labours lack of any real leadership is starting to show . You have the side shows of Kris with his foot in his mouth again Angry Andy fighting the much loved nurses and gangs getting the nod of approval while the police are struggling to get new recruits.

  5. Sue Moroney’s comments were astonishingly stupid. It was clear from Jack Tame’s discussion with Steven Price that the proposed laws are impossibly vague, but Moroney managed nevertheless to ignore that and say: “If you think that what you’re about to say or tweet might be hate speech and might be captured by the law, don’t do it.”
    Say what? The whole problem is that people have no idea what will be proscribed and neither does Ardern and Faafoi who are managing the introduction of the laws (nor, it appeared, does Steven Price, who is a media law expert).
    Moroney’s smug arrogance is telling. It’s essentially a patrician talking down to the plebs, who isn’t self-aware enough to understand the painfully obvious limits of her intellect.

    1. Yep. The translation of that quote by her is “STFU!” …to anyone/ everyone who might disagree with her.

      “Freedom of speech”? What a sad joke.

    2. Again, by her statement, they are passing a law carrying up to five years imprisonment, – the terms of which they are unable to define or to clarify!! Just how loopy crazy is that??

  6. The PM and the whole of the Health Dept poohing on Mike King isn’t going down well with my apolitical younger male relatives either: Mike is emerging as a heroic male role model, and boy do we need them.

  7. Labour have become complacent. They need to know that even their most staunch supporters have their breaking point. And, they have found mine.

    By my recent reading of parts of the new education curriculum, they are in effect grooming our children to accept radical medical interventions in their own otherwise natural development through adolescence and puberty. To me, what they are doing now is a form of child abuse.

    As well, they have brought in this new bill which denies parents the right to even question that mandated “gender identity” and “sexual orientation” indoctrination.

    Our children are being experimented on, socially and medically. This is horribly wrong.

    1. They are deliberately ignoring the housing crisis with our neo lib finance minister refusing to allow Kainga Ora headroom to borrow more money to build more homes. Grant is far more willing to please the financial gods than he is to ensure people are housed. And Grant, it’s not as if most can afford to buy a home anymore now is it? So what is it, mass dysfunction and homelessness or intervention? It’s not both.

      If Labour continue to ignore housing, and I mean do not start mass building immediately then they deserve to lose, big time. Fuck them, they’re a waste of time.

      1. Yes. There are several other lines of action they could take towards increasing housing supply, too. They need a multi-pronged approach, and to think outside the box.

    2. Kheala – You and a couple of others have provided good factual input about current education policy, and its questionable impact upon the natural development of children with the gender and sex issues which preoccupy the Greens now being imposed on young kids. Thank you for that.

      I ditched the Greens after their Muslim vigil performance that awful night in Auckland. The current overreact about conversion therapy, while simultaneously threatening parents who are legally and morally responsible for the well-being of their children, is so bad, that I shall never vote Labour again either. Unfortunately, that still doesn’t solve the problem of children being robbed of their innocence or legally tinkered with, or why it is being done, but if it is diversion tactics, then I agree with the person who described the government as evil.

      1. children being robbed of their innocence or legally tinkered with

        Yes. Something is very wrong, right there.

  8. The less Covid-19 is in the headlines the lower labours polling will be. Many people voted for them because they felt safe during that time. They didn’t necessarily vote for labour because of their other core party values or agenda. In fact many of these people will not be pleased with some of the latest decisions from the government.

    Without Covid-19 labour are probably polling around 37-38%. The last election result was an outlier, we are generally split 50/50, even in Keys era the right only pipped the left by a couple of percent. If this government continue to announce policies aimed at the left side of their party their recently aquired center right voters will quickly find a new home. Centre leaning voters are generally doing OK in life, many prefer the status quo. Labours issue is keeping the left faction of the party happy without scaring the centre.

  9. We got rid of the Natz when they started selling list MP seats for $100k, but Labeen can’t wait to get the neighbours and citizens narking on each other for that poor taste joke, lack of pronouns after their name, mentioning asian statistics or dictionary definition of a woman. give the millennial red guards a bit of power and NZ has our own #Kiwiculturalrevolution2021

    “Launching the movement in May 1966 with the help of the Cultural Revolution Group, Mao soon called on young people to “bombard the headquarters”, and proclaimed that “to rebel is justified”. In order to eliminate his rivals within the CCP and in schools, factories, and government institutions, Mao charged that bourgeois elements had infiltrated the government and society with the aim of restoring capitalism. He insisted that revisionists be removed through violent class struggle, to which China’s youth, as well as urban workers, responded by forming Red Guards and “rebel groups” around the country. They would begin to hold struggle sessions regularly, and grab power from local governments and CCP branches, eventually establishing the revolutionary committees in 1967. The groups often split into rival factions, however, becoming involved in ‘violent struggles’ (simplified Chinese: 武斗; traditional Chinese: 武鬥; pinyin: wǔdòu), to which the People’s Liberation Army had to be sent to restore order.” from wiki

    1. save nz That rings a dull bell with me. How did Hitler get strong, had brownshirts visit people who spoke out against him, didn’t he, and helped them understand different? Then get them to see who the real culprits were who held the country back and got advantage didn’t he! He had a repressive father and got beaten I think, so was brutalised – those people look round for people to unload their rage on. (Keywords google – was hitler beaten as a child). And the peeps will follow someone with firm opinions and listen to whom they present as being ‘not one of us’.

      Leighton Smith and Mike Hosking are amongst some who might be influential in that. Helping the peeps to see who are trying to put one past the authorities, getting money and advantage they don’t deserve (all in rhetoric or belief, don’t need actual statistics, don’t want to be proved wrong). Conclusion, sad, mad, and bad.

      1. The first thing totalitarian government do is suppress freedom of speech by criminalising it. Happened with Nazis as well as PRC and all oppressive governments. They then send out the witch hunts of disillusioned mobs to intimidate people who are indoctrinated to blame other groups for their plight rather than government policies.

  10. I try not to go into personnal stuff re our policians but Jacinda seems to have no shame in the way she can stand in front of the Island people and apoligise for past wrongs while do nothing about those here now hiding out afraid to go home due to covid or poverty. Daily our immegration dept is making people suffer. It would be appropriate reparation for past wrongs if there was an amnesty given to all overstayers . This would help in our fight against covid because then they could get the vaccine without fear of being exposed.

    1. Try harder Trevor Sennitt and tell us something positive about someone or something. That would be helpful.

      1. At the moment I despise Labour and despair about National Act is unknown the Greens are invisible NZ First is a one man band facing obscurity after 1 more defeat in 2023. What is left TOP is worth looking at . If I was younger I would be looking at Australia but happy to life the rest of my life doing my own think and pointing the bone at the wrongs that could be righted if we had some who cares in power.

  11. All MPs should get off twitter and the woke insanity would stop.
    Go out and see the real people and family’s.
    Not the tiny minority of woke twitteratti who spit bile and venom about anything that they dont agree with.

  12. The Daily Blog comments are becoming a bit of a blocked s-bend lately–full of malodorus right-wingers just loving all the attacks on the Govt., Greens, and left generally.

    It is one thing to point out the obvious failures, lack of capacity, neo liberal bent of the Labour Caucus, and the fifth columnists that dominate the public service as they operate the State Sector Act in the interests of private capital wherever they can.

    But the thing is–what to bloody do about it? NZ is a tale of two cities–50% own just 2% of the wealth, thousands of people in poverty in a land of plenty. A blog loaded with left wing writers should be more than a Tabloid style whinge fest, it should be an organising force. John Minto realises that and so do other writers.

    Community action and direct action has to be organised to shift the Labour Caucus and rark things up to get some action on housing in particular. Occupy appropriate empty residential and commercial dwellings for a start. Picket the hell out of MSD offices–embarrass the PSA members that sanction, stand down and humiliate working class people in vulnerable situations.

    Hate Speech can go sod itself for all the use such bourgeois arguments are to people living in motels and running up vast debts to MSD. Get the picture–Labour is in power alone and they still will not deliver or plan to deliver–for the NZ working class in terms of state house mega build and basic income paid to all citizens via IRD, & cherry on top, WINZ/MSD disestablished. Labour has done many reforms, $20 min wage, increased PPL, may do Fair Pay Agreements etc. but it is not enough, and it will not be enough until the working class fightback.

    1. $20 minimum wage is just marketing because behind the scenes there are many working for cash, illegally or for much less than minimum wages. When people complain, their complaints are not investigated in a timely manner, if prosecuted they get oh, pretty much nothing (make millions get fined $2500) … so the signals are NZ government market $20 p/h but wink, wink, pay what ever you want, do whatever you want. You will get to remain in NZ to exploit others, and get little penalty.

      Illegally working overstayer dies on the job – ACC payment made to widow in China
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/illegally-working-overstayer-dies-on-the-job-acc-payment-made-to-widow-in-china/OWADEJMGCUYM36WLF6YNKUA2SE/

      Construction worker fined only $2500 for using illegal labour
      https://www.nbr.co.nz/story/auckland-construction-company-fined-2000-using-illegal-migrant-labour

      Auckland building boss charged with fraud after investigation into illegal labour
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12005146

      Sikh temple to pay $100k for breaching employment laws
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/117040153/sikh-temple-to-pay-100k-for-breaching-employment-laws

      22 restaurants, 120 staff – and now a $40,000 fine
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12014023

      How the liquor store industry is riddled with worker exploitation
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/116300102/how-the-liquor-store-industry-is-riddled-with-worker-exploitation?rm=a

      Indian restaurant bosses fined for exploitation
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/287183/indian-restaurant-bosses-fined-for-exploitation

      Indian businesses ‘sell’ jobs for visas to students
      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/336687/indian-businesses-sell-jobs-for-visas-to-students

      So many, funny enough the employers who can’t get staff also like to make their old ones redundant pretty often… possibly the are reaping what they sow!

      In 2020 Silver Fern Farms made many of their employees redundant.

      Dozens of jobs lost in Mid-Canterbury as Silver Fern Farms closes pelt house
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/115436910/dozens-of-jobs-lost-in-midcanterbury-as-silver-fern-farms-closes-pelt-house

      Million dollar investment at Pareora plant as Silver Fern Farms prepares to close Fairton
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/92722662/million-dollar-investment-at-pareora-plant-as-silver-fern-farms-prepares-to-close-fairton

      Yet by 2021 they blame everyone else for not having enough staff.
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/millions-lost-because-of-staff-shortages-after-covid-19-closed-the-border/B3XQEHCLTOLKQJWIQNFPSFITAY/

      Daily media about worker shortages, but zero interest in putting 2+2 together on why these industries are short of workers… I guess that is why most people turn off the news, as it’s pretty much propaganda now and very little quality of investigation put into the daily stories that are virtually the same with some facebook story added to the business and government press releases.

      Truckie sacked for sharing Stuff story with workmates
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/125416698/truckie-sacked-for-sharing-stuff-story-with-workmates

      ‘Soul crushing’: inside Rocket Lab’s ‘toxic’ workplace culture
      https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/technology/soul-crushing-inside-rocket-labs-toxic-workplace-culture

      Smiths City advertises for new staff days after making 115 redundant
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121625411/smiths-city-advertises-for-new-staff-days-after-making-115-redundant

      Comvita makes 90 staff redundant, posts $9.7m loss
      https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/250468-comvita-makes-90-staff-redundant-posts-97m-loss.html

      Warehouse job cuts: 33 Northland staff made redundant; union may challenge decision
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/warehouse-job-cuts-33-northland-staff-made-redundant-union-may-challenge-decision/ZYCABDH2XZGGIPUBEAJOUVWFSE/

      Big read: Why being made redundant in NZ is so tough
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/big-read-why-being-made-redundant-nz-so-tough

      Employer held to task again, after exploiting workers via sham business
      https://www.employment.govt.nz/about/news-and-updates/employer-exploiting-workers-sham-business/

      ‘They’re not hiring Kiwis’: Locals keen to pick fruit ignored, rejected
      https://www.odt.co.nz/rural-life/horticulture/they’re-not-hiring-kiwis-locals-keen-pick-fruit-ignored-rejected

      Oil rig workers claim unfair treatment in a system ‘rotten to the core’
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/121961383/oil-rig-workers-claim-unfair-treatment-in-a-system-rotten-to-the-core

      ‘Absolutely horrible’ telling staff they’ve lost jobs, says owner of Te Kuiti sawmill cutting 35 positions
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/119457006/te-kuiti-sawmill-workers-cuts-35-jobs

      Worker told to ‘f*** off’ wins unfair dismissal employment case
      https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/worker-told-to-f-off-wins-unfair-dismissal-employment-case/7KSNTBJM6JWECOXB5PY5B5KSGI/

      Employee wins unfair dismissal case after being fired three days into new job
      https://www.hcamag.com/nz/specialisation/employment-law/employee-wins-unfair-dismissal-case-after-being-fired-three-days-into-new-job/240755

    2. TM, your characterisation of the comments section at Daily Blog is spot on. Possibly a reflection of the article(s) responded to – plus the default position of most people being ignorant whinge mode.
      And when is the next election? – over 2 years away – a very long time in politics.

      1. However, while the blog may be “A blog loaded with left wing writers” (Tiger M), it is overloaded with disaffected right-wing commenters. This means that instead of discussing topics as such, everything immediately becomes political.

        While we’re trying to look at actual legislation, to think about consequences and options etc, many of the ‘righties’ derail it by immediately turning it into a hate-on-Jacinda fest, or a ‘Labour is Evil” tourno.

        Yes there is diversion and derailment. No, it is not from the genuine ‘Left’.

        It is not a matter of “whinging”, btw, but rather of speaking out if something is specifically harmful, or if a piece of legislation eg is potentially harmful. If no-one speaks out about those, then who to blame later when it all turns to custard?

        These things need to be discussed. But it can only happen if the lost little Nats and stray ACTors stop their diversion tactics, stop turning each discussion into one of politics, stop sounding like lost sheep. As in, “Baaaaaaaaaa, Baaaaaaa, Baaaaaaad Jacinda; Baaaaaaaa, Baaaaaaaa, Baaaaaaaad Labour”.

  13. FGS Frank the Tank don’t live up to your pseudo. We don’t want to run over and crush everybody who offers some good advice and helps us. I agree that what we have is totally unsatisfactory, but I think a lot of us are searching for something definite and reliable and aiming to help us so don’t drown us in negatives. Some are better than others, they aren’t all equally bad, and soon we will have to sort through the discount bin and see if we can find a matching pair of something

    The original closing date for submissions on The Counter-Terrorism legislation: The closing date for submissions is (was) 25 June 2021. https://nzfvc.org.nz/news/submissions-open-counter-terrorism-legislation

    But the government wants YOUR feedback so get to it. Don’t just talk here, rein in your anxieties and distrust, and spell it out in polite but firm words to this benighted government that is dog-paddling in circles. Say your concerns now before legislation is passed and you find you have committed an offence by passing critical remarks about some aspect, and there will no doubt be many to criticise.

    https://www.justice.govt.nz/justice-sector-policy/key-initiatives/proposals-against-incitement/
    Providing your feedback –
    Your feedback will help to inform decisions on whether and how to update our laws.
    You can have your say by reviewing the Discussion Document and answering the specific questions relating to the six proposals.
    Discussion Document: Proposals against incitement of hatred and discrimination [PDF, 408 KB]

    Submissions are open from 25 June to 6 August 2021. You can submit:
    through the Citizen Space website(external link)
    by emailing humanrights@justice.govt.nz, or
    by post to Human Rights, Ministry of Justice, SX10088, Wellington

    An earlier RadioNZ piece on it:
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/445495/hate-speech-govt-plans-new-law-tougher-penalties
    The Radionz report said: Public submissions open today and close on 6 August. The government’s discussion document includes steps on how to submissions.

    1. They did the same thing before they sold our local aquifer. MANY people responded against it, including three different local groups (w/ two local Iwi). The water, our underground aquifer, was given to China, within a couple of weeks of closing date. And within ONE WEEK of Eugenie signing off on that, signs appeared around the town warning us of actual water shortages and the need to be careful with how much we used.

      THAT is how much their “Open for submissions” means. Nothing at all.

      1. The above happened last year. Closing date for submissions was early Feb. Sale went through by end of the month. Water restriction notices were up in early March.

      2. Here is some more of that picture, which may be increasingly relevant for the future.

        The site for the Xi water vampires to set up shop and drain the aquifer is closer to Kawarau than to my own town. That wider area is smothered in tinder-forest, the climate-harming pinus radiata plantations. So as the next drought hits, and this area explodes into California-style firestorms, …water access will be at a premium, – will be essential if we are to fight the fires.

        As well, the Kawarau timber mill has recently been left to die, by the govt. So, there are likely to be ever increasing spread of wilding pines. And, China owns much of the forest land as well, I think (though I have not checked specific ownership of this forest area).

        Can anyone out there see the insane mess we are creating? The inferno-building for the future?

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