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    1. Indeed, it gives me no joy to agree.

      The original Greens were always outliers and incredibly courageous as a minority to continually air views that were the antithesis of mainstream politics and the political process.

        1. Well, all the mainstream forces gathered to ensure that Hone wouldn’t get his electorate seat and bring in Laila Harre and potentially Annette Sykes (with John Minto not far behind). That lot would’ve been a problem for them all.

          Hone is still the best chance of bringing in a different voice.

          1. let’s not lose sight of a major reason the internet party failed – as we all remember it was very close…wouldn’t have taken much more to get there..and here is the funny thing..kim dotcom/the internet party worked up a really flash multi-media campaign arguing for the ending of cannabis prohibition…but hone harawira had an attack of the reactionaries – and demanded it not be shown..it doesn’t take einstein to figure this campaign would have seen mana/internet party in parliament…back then i gave harawira the shot-hole-in-own-foot-award for that bad-call…and i see no reason now to resile from that…i understand harawira has now u-turned and is no longer a prohibitionist…which really…when looking back/considering how he blew it…must almost drive him to irony-overdose…and it still pisses me off…

          2. Sounds some what familiar. As I recal the poster child for legalising medical cannabis was severely in need of illegal medicine and just then ex deputy health minister Peter Dunn was being a colossal douche about synthetic cannabis. So it was that the issue was not politicised so Peter Dunn would sign off on the patients subscription. Don’t really have a link on hand, meh.

  1. Brilliant read, your very pleasing prose of how the hopeless situation that is the environmental disaster of the world now came to be. That image of the blue orb in the expanse of black nothingness being the seminal moment of becoming aware of our fragility. However since that moment, pollution has only increased exponentially, to the point of probably irrevocably setting off conditions making life in Earth uninhabitable for humans and other creatures who need the same conditions as us. Interestingly, just read about how the first contact in the Americas caused such a massive killing of the people there through disease, that it caused a reforestation of America the size of France, which then created such a huge carbon sink that it was the cause if that period called The Little Ice Age. Humans were contributing to climate change before industrialization.
    As for the Green Party, they made a terrible choice when they did not choose Bradford as co-leader, and then lost her. The Green party has unravelled ever since into what it is today, also outlined to perfection here. Oh, oh dear the terrible waste of talent and meaningful people, the terrible ruin we face.

  2. Nandor Tanczos opine on all of this is that the existing Green Party should consider working with a future National government (he rejected this for 2017 on the grounds the party was not in the right place to do it – would really like to have been part of a coalition government with Labour first).

    The right place means determining a strategy the majority could buy into

    1. offering a National Green alternative where Labour cannot form a government, as an alternative to another National led coalition (many could accept this but it would mean less help to the low income worker family and public health/housing than NZ First would require) and would be best after a Labour led govenment dealt with those issues first.
    2. being open to a National Green alternative where the alternative was a Labour NZ First one (with limited environmental/Green policy wins) again less help to those on low incomes/family and public health/housing – this would be less important if/once the current Labour led government made some progress.

    1. Which of those options would undertake an immediate meaningful response to climate change?
      That is the primary question to answer. The rest is deckchairs.

      1. Nothing any New Zeland government did or could do makes much of an impact on climate change.

        Its multilateral mitigation or nation state focus on survival strategies.

  3. Hi Chris
    You refer to the fiction of “weightless” capitalist enterprises that leave no “carbon footprint”. That is pretty critical to this appraisal and a bit limited.
    Firstly if it is a fiction you have a point but is it? I haven’t seen much talk about this. If it is a fiction then we need to show that it is the case and make the point strongly.
    Second, in New Zealand we have unique opportunity to contribute to GHG emission reduction (i.e. broader than just CO2) by replacing our animal protein based agriculture system with plant based protein production. I don’t hear many people talking about this but it is a way in which we could contribute to climate change without a complete change to our economic system.

    1. Would our doing so reduce consumption of meat products in our export markets – and remember grass fed is lower in emissions and does not involve animal consumption of grains increasing food prices.

        1. Only if you ignore carbon carbon sequestration. Then there is the carbon involved transporting feed to the grain fed animals.

          1. my understanding is that the grass is greener story was turned totally on its’ head…the opposite beig true…asnd by quite a margin…

            (i speak as a vegan who opposes all animal slavery..)

          2. Yes it was found that grass fed release more methane, but when sequestration back into the grassland soil is taken into account and carbon used in transporting grain to the feedlots is also accounted for the story changes.

  4. All I see these days are fake Greens and hollow Greens. Even Greenpeace seem to be walking a tight rope balancing act, trying to appeal to people by using activist stunts, rather than become the Green Guerilla War Movement we really need now.

    We will only change things by sabotaging, undermining and destroying the system as it is, no matter what it takes, as all else will be neutralised and hollowed out sooner or later.

    Shaw and Davidson are an odd couple of a bunch of smart talking no hopers now, hardly worth voting for.

  5. A truly ‘green’ party would only win significant numbers of votes if the population would finally be presented with REAL and TRUTHFUL information about the threat from pollution by humans, that is contributing heavily to what we call ‘climate change’, which should rather be called a ‘climate disaster’ that is looming.

    And to inform people, it would necessitate having a media, whether MSM or social media, or whatsoever, that reports facts, that presents in depth reports and has these backed up by solid science, which is available.

    We do though live in a capitalist, neoliberal and heavily manipulated society, where people are constantly misinformed with endless propaganda, with effective mass advertising, with lies, deception and the selling of dreams, that result in the shocking situation we have on Planet Earth.

    Vested interest holding business operators, allied with selfish individual persons, acting as selfish, short sighted consumers and wasters (bought by the ones pulling the strings and having the wealth and power), they set the tunes, and keep feeding us endless lies and BS, so only a small, skeptical and critical percentage of the population learns and sees what is going on.

    Some of those have traditionally voted ‘Greens’, but with the Greens we have already rather blue washed over time, those critical citizens are becoming ever more disillusioned and do not even bother voting Greens anymore.

    So Nandor Tanczos or what is name is can have a view, but he himself has been watered down and mellowed and compromised through the steady drop of pressures from the propaganda machine and bias within this population, he has lost his clearer view of past years.

    No reason to be hopeful, I note.

  6. We van all become vegetarian or vegan, but as long as population growth continues, and while billions are already living in abject poverty, all efforts to achieve the goal to stop climate change and global pollution, soil degradation, erosion, climate disaster and so forth will be in vain.

    Some may think, the only way to reduce CO2, methane and other emissions will be to radically ‘reduce’ global human population.

    Prepare for Holocaust Make 2, some time soon, at unprecedented scales, by ‘modern day’ means.

  7. The whole selling off of New Zealands water leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I would expect parties such as the Greens, to be doing their utmost to stop such CRIMINAL activity – not help it along!
    Get back to your Green roots, they are needed more than ever.

  8. Trotter’s comments about Blue-Greens are right on the mark, but I’m in favour of them as I’d like to see National shoot itself in the foot wasting their resources on such an alliance.

    But Green’s use of cell phones is a necessary fighting of fire with fire: surely anyone can see that boycotting cell phones and other information technology because they world economy is poorly structured would leave any activism, party-political or otherwise, totally ineffectual in today’s environment.

    James Shaw might dress like a capitalist, talk to capitalists and operate within the rules of our largely capitalist mixed economy, while trying to green it. What else would you have him do?

    James Shaw has my confidence, and is likely to have the opportunity for more Green influence on our economy than our green pioneers Jeanette Fitzsimons and Rod Donald because the time is right.

  9. The Green Party are the Kurds of New Zealand politics – picked on by everyone and every political party and whose only friends are the mountains

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