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  1. Good grief, such an extensive post on that sideshow of foolishness by two “passionate” or “hot” adults, I wonder where the real problem lies. And generalisations do not help, this is not simply a “male” problem in New Zealand, if it is a “problem”.

    I fear Chris reads far too much into the incident, and thus even elevates the “topic” yet again.

    Move on, they should have been warned for unauthorised use of a DISABLED toilet, and we should focus on what is IMPORTANT for the country, perhaps?!

  2. One more thing, we now hear a “scandal” about Donald Trump also, where he behaved himself inappropriately in the past, and boasted about it, this being recorded. He is now threatening to lift the lid on what Bill Clinton confided to him about that one’s escapades.

    Again, we have some get all hot and bothered, and I agree, what he did in the reported incidents was the behaviour of an arrogant, power abusing chauvinist.

    But let us get real, the world we live in is full of different types of humans, and a fair few of them are just fools, also opportunists, users, others also back-stabbers, some black mailers and whatever else.

    We live in a society where the rich, the successful, the powerful get adored, idealised and even chased by some, who seek attention and for a chance to also get into the limelight, or to get some perks or kicks – by socialising with these persons in the lime-light. Fame, favours, perks and pleasure through association seems to be their agenda.

    So they behave like fools, they have no problem with the one they want to become “personal” or “intimate” with, as they may even consider it “sexy” to get involved and more.

    Hence some make embarrassing mistakes, also get exploited, abused and worse, and later they run and scream, “this is wrong”, this is “unfair”, this is misogynistic, and cases end up in the media, before courts and in settlements or payments of damages.

    In some cases nothing happens. I am not talking about justice or the rights and wrongs of such things, just the phenomenon.

    Like perhaps our All Black in that Christchurch Airport toilet may have been, Donald Trump himself was also a ruthless opportunist, but the way many people think and behave, society makes it all too easy for them.

    And these “heroes”, rich and powerful, the ones adored, they are themselves fools also, as much of their conduct will eventually catch up with them. Being famous, well known, in the public eyes, and having also power, leads to making foolish mistakes, and we learned of such incidents recently (also before the courts). Often the ones involved, or guilty, are not even aware of their inappropriate conduct and abuse of power and privilege.

    But are we not creating this kind of society, by allowing people to be respected for being greedy, for competing successfully and “winning” – and ending up famous, privileged and/or in positions of some high degree of power and status?

    It is our very society, perhaps some of our human make-up, that leads to such excesses and stupidities, and while some learn, mature and move on, others suffer consequences.

    The MSM loves digging into such stories, as that is stuff that gets the attention of the public, many of it, and they then sell stories, and may even give incentives for others to exploit the same opportunities when they come across them.

    If we perhaps had a different society, where there is more mutual respect, more of a sense of collective responsibility and more focus on constructive behaviour, and doing things of importance together, rather than encourage the people to strive for fame, riches, glory and success, and indulgences offered alongside this, we may not have such stories, and less of such incidents to report on. It is though greed, desire to get ahead and to “make it to the top”, that is essential part of a neoliberal, capitalist society.

    I am tires of such crap, and it is time to concentrate on stuff that really matters to sort out our issues and plan for the future.

  3. Shows how fubar masculinity is in NZ, when consenting adults get thrashed in the media. But yet the deafening quite from our media over domestic violence is a disgrace, no one but the brave mention it.

    1. Yes Chris and bit says a lot about what the MSM press is up to here, after our PM Jonkey confronted assaults on many girls when he made unwanted inappropriate advances of hair pulling, and he got a wet bus ticket for it while an 11yr old tape recording of an over-zealous wannabe (Trump)President in US is being constantly lambasted by their MSM from those old tape recordings as if he had now become un-electable!!!!!

      Wake up you useless MSM do your job for the public good for Christ sake!!!!.

  4. Interesting post but I tend to think guys get violent when their partner tries to leave them out of jealousy and anger. They can’t control their emotions or stop themselves acting on them which means they are prone to violence in general. The question is why so many men can’t rise above their negative emotions.

  5. There is indeed something one-dimensional about the traditional Kiwi male – something tribal, parochial and lacking in self-awareness. Currently we have hundreds dead in the Haiti hurricane, with Florida now threatened. We have climate change modelling predicting more of these cat. 4 /5 storms. We have moronic fools like Trump insulting our intelligence in the US. We have Russia bombing hospitals in Aleppo and an overall tally of thousands dead so far; with millions displaced by sectarian conflict, drought and corrupt governance in the Middle East and Africa. We have threats to civil rights and personal freedom in a number of countries including Turkey. At home, we have increased homelessness, water pollution, and tax evasion issues. It is fascinating, bizarre and pathetically childish that supposedly adult Kiwis are obsessed with obsolete tribal religions like rugby.

  6. Meh – consensual but in bad taste – a great leap forward for the All Blacks. Maybe they should just play their games & forget celebrity – trout fishermen have no expectations of fame or fortune from their leisure pursuits.

  7. Fascinating discussions on NZ male machismo, but agree with Graham that there are so many disastrous things going on with war and climate change that really can I just ask what will sort this shit out? Rugby players shouldn’t be role models – um, good idea. War is bullshit and should be outlawed immediately! Another good one, and then we need to change our energy away from polluting fossil fuels and plant more trees to stop climate change! Then we can easily focus on homes, food production going organic, limiting immigration, and increasing jobs, wages and benefits, and lastly or firstly, cutting all govt MPs and CEO’s and Judges and Laywers wages to $100 k MAX. Don;t like it, go private, as the arrogant bureaucracy hiding behind smirKey and Binglish etc just keep ‘business as usual’ practices going that are destroying our environment daily and like the missing million voters I am sick of it going on and on and on…

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