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  1. Someone was shot dead in South Auckland yesterday. Wasn’t a gun toting misogynist though.

    1. MikeSee: “Wasn’t a gun toting misogynist though.”

      Certainly not gun-toting; I couldn’t say about the misogyny. Judging by the name released today, he was Indian.

  2. Ouch!!!!! what a picture you paint there Chris, quote;

    “when Police intervention has failed to persuade destructive, violent and armed protesters to disperse, then this is the military unit that will be called upon to aid the civil power.

    Idiot armed misogynists determined to overturn the nation’s efforts to eliminate the Covid-19 virus will need to learn that the arrival of this force is a very bad sign”

    iS THIS THE BEGINING A MILATARY DICTATORSHIP?

  3. Nice article, Chris.

    Meanwhile, Trump’s predicament gets worse. The demand destruction brought about by Coronavirus has resulted in Brent crude dropping to under $26 a barrel, but landlocked oil in the US is now trading NEGATIVE! For the first time in history oil extractors are paying customers to take oil away, as storage reaches capacity and ‘no one’ want to buy.

    Bloomberg reports -$35.07 per barrel for West Texas Intermediate, and Zero Hedge reports May futures at -$37.63 per barrel (Canada being similarly clobbered by demand destruction for its landlocked tar sands extract):

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/historic-oil-crash-sends-canadian-oil-prices-negative

    Whether Trump can cobble yet another rescue package to keep dysfunctional financial and economic arrangements going just a little longer is open to debate.

    Meanwhile he is yet again provoking hostile relations with China.

    Thank goodness we do not have an egocentric, maniacal, self-aggrandising property speculator in charge in NZ (though we did fairly recently).

  4. A very thought provoking new perspective and a look behind the scenes Mr Trotter.thank you.

  5. I disagree strongly with the suggestion here that the farming and small business community , whether they are among the firearms licence holders or not, are any more likely to mount an armed and violent insurrection against the government’s approach to containing the virus than any other section of society. Quite the reverse would be my belief. Most NZ farming community believe deeply and wholeheartedly in the peaceful culture of contemporary and recent history in this country. The acceptance of the lockdown is pretty universal . The demographic identified here is no less accepting of it than any other.
    What say you Country Boy?

    D J S

    1. White supremacists may be the angry bitter group – some may be rural, but I doubt that the police would see them as farmers, or that they are farmers. I believe one contributes here who is not a farmer, is well heeled rural, and is likely barking mad.

      They are not necessarily anti-Maori or anti-Muslim or anti-colour per se – but pro-self, grappling with their insignificance. They don’t understand history, and importantly, they can’t accept that the demographic dominance of white communities is shrinking throughout the western world.

      Any misogynists are as likely to be women as men; historically women have not had the powerful political and social networks which men have had; we’ve not supported each other the way they do – hence the importance of much derided Women’s Studies depts in academia – and Dom columnists like the late Frank Hayden frequently mocking ‘the sisterhood’, and supported by women for doing so.

      PM Ardern certainly doesn’t seem to be a woman dependent on the power of men to get the top job – that rankles some sycophantic women too. Why ? Because they’re jealous, and scared of upsetting the status quo male apple-cart.

      Ardern’s gender is irrelevant in the current crisis, as a leader doing a very good job; some of us have accepted right from the start the it may be necessary to use the military; any threat to freedom or civil rights may be more likely further along the track should we then be a Chinese country.

      1. I don’t think Jacinda’s gender is entirely irrelevant Snow White, Many women in politics seem to me to subjugate their femininity in their approach to their leadership role, perhaps as device to prove they can make it in a man’s world. Jacinta tony mind doesn’t do that, she carries her femininity in her empathy like a banner . I think she will be ourPM as long as she wants to be.

        D J S

    2. Farmers as a whole ? No. In fact I’d imagine the type of people Chorus is talking about more likely live in urban areas, sure there’s plenty of dumb arse farmers but there’s far more intelligent ones.

      There’s absolutely no doubt that there are a bunch of delusional, paranoid lunatics in this country (look at the increased attacks on cell towers) who hold nothing but hatred for the govt and believe in the craziest things, they aren’t all racist but plenty of them are, in my experience these kinds of people come from middle to upper middle class urban areas and they are also not all right wing , the left has plenty of delusional, paranoid conspiratorial nutters (most of nzs anti vaxers are liberal upper middle class Karen’s who think yoga and crystals are the answer) so I don’t think you can scape goat farmers , are there farmers who are insane bigoted bootlickers? Yes, there’s bankers and lawyers in Auckland and wellington who are too.

      Tbh I’m glad these excercises are being done on the off chance , but it’d be an absolute tragedy if armed force was ever needed to be used on kiwis.

      I think we’ll get a few freedumb muppets this weekend but it’ll be a pathetically small amount.

  6. A very dissapointing article Mr Trotter, usually your articles are well written and thought out, however implying that the majority of so called gun nuts are running small businesses and farms is akin to if someone said that most people from south Auckland are rugby league following, rtd swilling, petrol head, union cranks!
    As for the defence forces conducting exersises in South Auckland could they not also be preparing for any potential backlash for when this pandemic eases and a vast number of us find we have no jobs or businesses to go back to and the bills start piling up and tensions rise etc etc… Not worth thinking about but yes could happen.

  7. I ihought I read of a large, gang-related party in Sth Auckland where hundreds turned up by the vanload, and the police refrained from taking action. If this is true, who can blame them?
    It may not be only theoretical gun-nutters that this is about

  8. Hey Chris, Perhaps some history about the use of the military will enlighten some of the readers. For example the 1951 watersiders disputes, or the use of military in staffing prisons during officer industrial action, or the use of miltary after the earthquakes.

  9. It would be helpful if readers could read the text of this post before crying “military dictatorship” and voicing their “disappointment”.

    My reference to “armed, misogynist idiots”, for example, is directed at the extreme opponents of the Government’s firearms legislation – not against every small-business-owner and farmer in New Zealand. As someone born and raised on a farm, and who grew up surrounded by firearms, I am well aware that most farmers, and rural dwellers generally, are decent, law-abiding people.

    What cannot be overlooked, however, is the existence of a small but potentially extremely dangerous (because armed) minority who have consumed more of the NRA’s and the Trumpites’ Kool-Aid than is good for them.

    Are there other armed groups (like the gangs) the NZDF’s ready reaction force should be wary of? Yes, there are. These groups should also think hard before taking actions likely to draw the military’s attention.

    1. Chris – I’ve just had a phone call from friend in Napier who says that the lock down is having little effect. She lives in Onekawa. She said people are in and out of each others’ houses, young guys on the streets fooling around in cars as usual. Said her friend in Greenmeadows says it’s much the same there; her friend, stopped by a cop when she was out buying flour, is the only person she’s aware of being stopped and questioned, but she says that the police see these young guys when they drive down from Hastings, and do nothing about it. This is where I’d have no problem with the army stepping in – I daresay that for all we know, the police could be off attending one of the burgeoning domestics, or other vital business.

      I went to the Mobil night window to try and buy a newspaper. The young guy told me that they only get 10 newspapers a day and, “We’re certainly not getting any more just because of the coronavirus.” That attitude isn’t necessarily helpful.

      David S – “Many women in politics seem to me to subjugate their femininity in their approach to their leadership role, perhaps as device to prove they can make it in a man’s world.” Interesting point. I once cited an analysis of women in power by virtue of representing powerful men’s interests – it looked at Golda Meir and Indira Ghandi and others; they’re both interesting high calibre women – Hillary Clinton different.

      But. But. When Paula Bennett adulated to the media about being in love with Bill English’s brain, and then popped off and had her gastric bypass operation, I had a quiet laugh.

      Jacinda Arden dresses with a certain chic we’re not used to in our political women – or NZ women – the French ambassador got himself into trouble a few years ago saying some such about kiwi femmes; working and living in two of the world’s greatest cities has to have given the PM an edge over the more parochially
      inclined too – and maybe less of a need to subjugate her femininity than someone whose path was eg from Ashburton to Wellington.

    2. Hey Chris, point taken here,

      But me as a past member of the NZ army (1964-70) I worry about ‘who controls the army’ when they stray into political skirmishes?

      If they have no control then it is liable to become a “military dictatorship” no less.

    3. I actually got what you were saying, my only criticism would be in my experience these kinds of people in an NZ context are more urban middle class types than rural.

  10. Who was on tele as the Gun Nuts protesting loudly about the new rules? White middle aged men, mainly. If you can afford a cupboard full of guns you need to be well off e.g Business men (and women). Also well known our Farmers have a cupboard full as well. Fair call Mr Trotter.

  11. Have you considered the possibility that it is the gangs that represent the greater threat of gun – violence ?

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