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  1. 1.The statement from SSFCA looks more like a piss take to me. It reads like a hostage note.
    2.Someone has spat the dummy and gone a bit over the top with the self flagellation. “Me thinks he doth protest too much”
    3. The key bit here is who is the racist? No names? Its easy to write a generic mea culpa and call yourself out as a racist while hidden behind someone else.
    4. The author has left significant clues that the statement not as it seems.

  2. I think you’re looking too deeply Chris. Sure you’re not wrong in what you say – CRT is, of course, total bullshit and all that. But I think the media angle was this:

    1. The initial story: A bunch of privileged teenagers think they can solve a massive scientific, engineering and social problem by having a day off school. (LOL)

    2. The denouement: They self immolate on the bonfire of political correctness (LOL x 2)

  3. ” CRT identifies that these power structures are based on white privilege and white supremacy,”
    If this is a description of CRT and it is and I would agree with it, then how does the follow opinions
    “If you’re white, you cannot be right.” and “Guilty white journalists may cheer-on the Revolution” fit that description? Shouldn’t it read: “If you’re white, your always right.” and “Smug white journalists may cheer-on the Revolution”?

    1. I think we can explain those journalistic idiocies as ingroup virtue signalling at no cost to the signallers. They may be white but they live on the upper side of the class divide.

  4. When I read the quoted article and passage I felt doubt about it’s sincerity . It would be dangerous to report on without an inside perspective of the conversations within the organisation that led up to it. There must have been some bitter exchanges for people as motivated as these to abandon their project so emotionally embraced .
    I think there will be more to come.
    D J S

    1. I hope you’re right DJS, and that the missing pieces surface.

      As it stands, I can almost hear Winston in the distance giving a half-chuckle into his coffee and muttering, “I tried to warn them, but they wouldn’t listen”.

      1. It’s very hard to imagine that any large proportion of these young people is faintly racist.
        I don’t for a moment believe that.
        D J S

        1. And yet they have decreed that people of a certain skin colour, ancestry or DNA should no longer initiate action against Climate Change.

          How is that not racist?

          1. I don’t mean to direct this question to you DJS (when I read it back now it sounds accusatory) – I was just mulling it over…

          2. That’s why I doubt the sincerity of the decree. I don’t believe they are racist and I don’t believe they think they are racist.
            D J S

      2. Thanks for the link. It contains some clues as to what the issues might have been.
        D J S

        1. Yes, and I think that at least some of what they are trying to say should be taken more seriously. From the Herald article, there are real climate concerns behind this. They refer to the far greater impact of Climate Change on the Islands out there in the Pacific than has hit us here in AO/ NZ. That is true!

          Some of the islands are disappearing under the waves. Some smaller ones have already gone. And yet, for the main, we here in AO/ NZ act as if any such concerns are still some way off. The people who live out there in the midst of it all really do have something to tell us, to show us about the urgency that is needed.

          However, for a functioning group to be closed down simply because they were not from those most devastated places of origin, nor from specific disadvantaged people over here, is not going to help their cause.

          There is validity to at least some of what they have already said. They’ve just gone at it the wrong way around. They should be expanding the number of people involved, and groups involved, not eliminating them.

  5. And, the elephant in the climate closet, whatever mix that elephant may be of black, white, brown, red, yellow, green, purple, spotted or striped, … the underlying tenet of this newly woken creed is itself RACIST.

  6. These groups are organised by the right to distract from real issues and control the debate. Another one was the Generation Zero movement for the Sky path, also another project that got nowhere and has been abandoned after doing a huge amount of damage and occupying MSM time while other voices remain unheard.

    Go back to grass roots campaigning with people who don’t care what colour or creed or age anybody is and has open minds to everyone!

  7. Meltdown of the Planet doesn’t care what race you are. And Meltdown of the Planet hardly cares what species you are. It just wipes them out.

    That’s why the truth about our predicament is unmentionable.

    Pity the children.

    Pity anyone under the age of 70.

    Daily CO2
    Jun. 16, 2021 = 419.21 ppm
    Jun. 16, 2020 = 416.5 ppm

    1. All true, AFKTT, at least as far as these processes being relentless and unresponsive to human judgements are concerned.

      But, shouldn’t we also consider the proposition that the only species that “cares” about this spinning ball of dirt, rock and molten iron is homo sapiens itself?

      In a formulation reminiscent of the old question: “If a tree falls in the forest, and there is no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?”, shouldn’t we also ask:

      “When the last human-being dies, will anything that happens on this planet, or anywhere else in the entire universe, ‘matter’?”

      Is “meaning” a species-bound concept?

      1. As another angle on the forrest my son once gave me a birthday gift of a Tshirt with the caption ” If a man speaks deep in the New Zealand forrest where no woman can hear him, is he still wrong?
        Back to the point though, I can’t for a moment abide the idea that no life matters but human life. I guess the question is “matters to who?. To some it may be that that is the case , but it is then a short step to “which human lives matter and which do not? Undoubtably there are those who don’t much care about any lives but their own.
        D J S

  8. They probably gave into the inevitable hopelessness of the whole argument.

    But in any case the cause they apparently believed in is now much weaker for their surrender.

    And if one is to be pure woke, accepting recommendations of who to support from these so-called racists is not going to fly either.

  9. I would have thought if you deem yourself not qualified to continue the first thing you do is ensure any resources you have are handed to the appropriate people. This seems to me like a bunch of people being told they are racist and spitting the dummy and burning down the house on the way out!

  10. It remains to be seen whether or not the emerging groups and movements that critique the roots of racism become revolutionary. Revolution is a project in the making and remaking.
    But one thing is sure. No social movement that remains trapped in the institutions of settler racism, including the state, can become revolutionary.
    No liberal bourgeois road to the future will rescue humanity as they all lead back to capitalism.
    They are by definition part of the counter-revolution.
    Young people who demand that any movement that fights against climate change must also fight against white racism, against patriarchy, and all other forms of oppression, offer some hope on the horizon.
    That hope is that those who resist all forms of oppression will realise in the ebb and flow of the struggle that the common cause of oppression is capitalism, and that to end capitalism, a proletarian revolution is necessary.

    1. Young people who demand that any movement that fights against climate change must also fight against ..[a dozen other things as well]”

      Dave, You’re effectively telling the firemen they cannot go into the burning house to save the occupants unless they stop and take off their muddy boots first (for want of a better metaphor). They stop and do that, the house burns down and the family die.

      1. No, I think you will find that young people are beginning to realise that all the today’s crises of race, religion, gender, nation, pandemics and climate change, have a common cause – capitalism. I use the term ‘capitocene’ to explain the links between all these crises.
        It is hard to miss the fact that they all have a very visible embodiment in the few billionaires that own most of the world’s wealth and drive everyone else down by fomenting furious divisions and wars among us.
        The world’s workers are of every colour, culture and gender, and their unity as one working class is the only revolutionary social force capable of ending the capitocene and reversing global warming.
        Fighting in silos and against one another is exactly what the 1% wants us to do because we exhaust our power to end capitalism on futile divisions among ourselves.

  11. It seems to be that CRT is two-edged. On the one hand the argument that slavery’s long shadow pervades American society in the form of a general brutalisation and also helps to divide the working class is perfectly valid (and, for that matter as old as the hills, so maybe that’s not the latest version of the theory). On the other hand, there is the destructive version that Chris calls out.

    Then again I suppose you could say that about any ideology, e.g. does socialism mean Michael Joseph Savage, or Chairman Mao’s Cultural Revolution?

    And certainly, as regards the splits and meltdowns and purity contests, that’s nothing new among would-be revolutionaries. A certain Monty Python skit does indeed come to mind, as does Rick with a silent P from the Young Ones.

    Even Karl Marx said he wasn’t a Marxist if by fanaticism, Marxism was meant.

  12. All good but I prefer to take a simple line.
    The SSFCA collapse is just confirmation that its membership are, and think like, children.

  13. Post modernist philosophy has a lot to answer for. It fits perfectly with neo liberal individualism.

    School Climate Strikes will likely reappear with a new political centre or just good old anarchy. Because Climate Disaster and societal meltdown totally disrespect social being and constructs!

  14. WOKE GONE MAD

    So TDB doesn’t get any public funding but stories glorifying Bevan Chung get a publicly funded 2.6m mini feature! Something is wrong with NZ brainwashing from the PRC!

    Princess of Chaos: $2.6m funding for Bevan Chuang and Len Brown film

    “Telefeature Princess of Chaos is the story of a political scandal as told from the perspective of the ‘other woman,’ Bevan Chuang,” NZ on Air said when announcing the funding.”

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/princess-of-chaos-26m-funding-for-bevan-chuang-and-len-brown-film/ED3ONTIJ5HUTZ65TLVZ2YWUUMI/

    And Bevan Chuang is the idea of the modern NZ citizen?

    “In 2011 and 2012, Chuang engaged in a public outreach campaign to find a suitable man to impregnate her soon enough to be able to bear a “dragon baby”, a child born in the Year of the Dragon.[1][7]

    Chuang acknowledged to the Whale Oil blog in October 2013 that for two years she was Auckland mayor Len Brown’s mistress.[6]”

    https://gyaanipedia.fandom.com/wiki/Bevan_Chuang

    And the idea of ethnic cleansing of Auckland all planned out a decade ago. Worked with Tibet!

    “Mayor Len Brown’s Auckland is predicted to have a majority Asian, largely Chinese, population by 2040, with the existing long standing European ethnic and cultural base becoming a minority. This means that a very large percentage of Auckland’s projected 2.1 million population will have a short working history in this country with low associated tax and Kiwisaver contributions, and a rapidly escalating number of older people moving onto New Zealand Superannuation with no contribution coming from their original home countries.”

    https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1110/S00572/grey-power-warns-of-impact-of-high-immigration-rates.htm

  15. Dave Brown: “No social movement that remains trapped in the institutions of settler racism, including the state..”
    So to this particular “Marxist” the state is no longer an institution of capitalism, or even colonialism, but of “settler racism”, meaning, I presume, Pakeha/European racism.
    This of course is what the “mainstream” (capitalist) media want us all to believe and why they ask no hard questions about the bizarre demise of SS4C. They are comfortable with the idea that politics is and shall remain an arena of combat between races and cultures rather than between say, between capitalism and socialism or as I would prefer to see it, between colonialism and kotahitanga.
    The problem for the media is that if they challenge the idea that it is all about “settler racism”, then they will inevitably be drawn to the question “What is it all about then?” and that leads to one obvious answer, which would be “colonialist capitalism”.
    That in a nutshell is the answer to Chris Trotter’s question about the not-so-strange silence of the mass media.

  16. Geoff we agree broadly that capitalist colonisation is the cause, and racism the effect.
    The state enables the cause funding and arming colonisation, the alienation of the land and disciplining of the labour force, but also reproduces the ideology of racism through law, religion, media etc. to justify all this.

    As I pointed out above, in the case of Aotearoa, to legitimate (fraudulent Treaty) a settler invasion and occupation (war against ‘rebellion’ to justify land theft), necessary to create a new capitalist colony, racism directed at the ‘natives’ is inevitable. So reproducing racism is one of the colonial state’s functions which requires some ideological institutions but that does not reduce the state to a mere ideological apparatus, unlike the media.

    I’m afraid you share with Chris an arrogance towards those building social movements that do not live up to your liberal preconceptions (i.e. “bizarre demise” of SS4C). Racism has to be confronted head on everywhere, along with all other forms of capitalist oppression that emerge within social movements, before those movements can become effective in uniting as one anti-capitalist movement. Class unity and all that.

    I think you will find that the process of colonisation and de-colonisation of Aotearoa, if not already, will soon take centre stage, in all the debates from He Pua Pua to Extinction Rebellion, despite the efforts of politicians and media to mischaracterise it.

    1. You do not change my opinion by labeling it “arrogant” or “liberal”. Whether these kids actually are racists, or merely thought they had been racist, or uncritically accepted the opinion of others that they were racist is one thing. But to then walk away from a cause that they were telling us is critical to their future on this planet is another. To me that is bizarre.
      Fortunately I am of an age when I am not going to respond by saying to you “Yes, Dave, you are so right. I am an arrogant liberal and henceforth in my shame I will not write or utter another word on political matters, but will leave all that to the Marxists who have so much more right to a point of view than I do”.

  17. I think we can explain those journalistic idiocies as ingroup virtue signalling at no cost to the signallers. They may be white but they live on the upper side of the class divide.

  18. Cancel culture is not a new thing.

    “Hi, I’m Nigel, I’m a racist”.

    During the Bastion Pt. occupation I remember one Pakeha guy who turned up obstensibly to offer his support, saying all Pakeha including himself were racist. The Ngati Whatua organiser told him to piss off, “We don’t need racists here”.

    1. Kia ora Patrick
      Your anecdote caused me to re-think my reply to Dave Brown.
      I rationalized my feeling that the self-canceling action of SS4C was bizarre because of its political implications, but I now realize that the problem is cultural as much as political.
      In our culture there are many ways to acquire mana and many ways to lose it, but no one abandons their mana. That is what SS4C did and that is what really came across as bizarre in my mind. Bizarrely, they abandoned their mana in response to a challenge.
      The tika way to meet a challenge is with respect and goodwill towards the challenger while maintaining one’s own mana and dignity. Treat the challenge with contempt and there will be war. Grovel, and it is you that will be regarded with contempt. Brutal or not, that is the way it is. That is the tikanga.
      The good news is that Nigel and SS4C can regain their mana, and play a positive role in the affairs of the motu. They just have to learn to stand tall and not to crawl.

      1. “Foreigners are enemies”
        “Politicians are corrupt”,
        “Journalists are liars”.
        “Pakeha are racists”,
        “Men are rapists”,

        These are the memes of that keep us divided from our potential friends and allies and from each other They make us powerless.

        “Internationalism”
        “Solidarity”
        “Fraternity”,
        “Sorority”
        “Unity”

        These are our memes. They make us invincible.

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