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  1. All so true Chris but the very reason the polls are plummeting for Labour is their lack of any real action on nearly everything they promised. I can’t see them doing those wise things you suggest…. they just haven’t got the ability or talent.

    1. On the contrary, garibaldi, the talent and ability are there. What’s lacking is the confidence to use them. And that applies not only to the back-bench MPs, but also to the Cabinet Ministers and those closest to the PM. They do not seem to understand that their problems arise from HEEDING the advice of their neoliberal public servants – not from setting it aside.

      The key lesson they have to learn is how to say “No” to their officials and “Yes” to the people.

      This latest move to cut the excise tax on petrol by 25 cents is a good start. Not from the Neoliberal Rule Book at all!

      1. “They do not seem to understand that their problems arise from HEEDING the advice of their neoliberal public servants – not from setting it aside.”
        Ain’t that the bloody truth! It’s a disease that’s afflicted them for quite some time too.
        The faith-based system: “I have complete faith in my officials”

        1. Yes Chris agreed. That’s because that’s a poll driven or popular vote decision not based on the Mandarins or rule book as U describe. The public servants don’t care about the politicians life span only the Polly’s care of that. They only care about the dogma they follow or have been following for over 40 years now. So hence why the politicians come and go and the public servants stay put.

    2. “…those wise things you suggest…. they just haven’t got the ability or talent.”

      Sadly this describes National/Acf as well. Why at a time when we face such big problems do we mostly seem to have lightweights as leaders? And I’m not only talking about our country.

      1. Labour has limited talent imo, however National & ACT are bereft of any talent, Luxton is a corporate gnome currently enjoying some Christophoria from the latest polls and Seymour Guns is an opportunist looking for the next carcass to feed on. Yucky imho ?

    3. Garibaldi Some may have the ability and the talent, but there are human cushions in all three parties, sitting out their time on their thumbs, ready to collect their pensions and waddle off to a life of financial security unbeknown to too many out in the real world. That’s Labour. That’s National. The Greens defy rational explanation.

  2. The failure of Labour is the lack of talent. Add to that a total inertia that should have been the Labour party core reason to live in the 9 years on the opposition benches and 5 years on the treasury benches. Come up with a plan for the future. We should really charge them with fraud or misappropriation of tax payers funds to have done no planning for the last 14 years.

    Case in point being the police minister moaning about National reducing front line police numbers.

    Labour had 9 years to format a response plan, 5 years to implement that plan and yet the “promised” 8oo extra police in the Winston Peters coalition never eventuated.

    Why not? Was it because it was a Peters policy, not Labour?

    Labour are too late to now try and choose the direction to take. They have lost the confidence and willpower to function as an effective political party and do not have the talent (except for Kiri Allan) to even see the cross roads, never mind the ability to make a decision.

    Labour (except for Kiri Allan) are all career politicians, they do not make decisions, they do not how to.

    Problem with career politicians is they live in a beltway bubble, fed by communication teams that call a cost of living crisis an energy crisis. Career politicians are too far removed from the people to form a strategy that benefits what the people need.

    For the people, the edifice that is the empty and deserted Labour office on the Great South Road in Manurewa is a monument on what Labour thinks of the people in South Auckland. Not for them the $35M for a cycle path between gentrified suburbs, no the Manurewa to Takanini cycleway is a death trap and not use by sane cyclist.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/south-auckland-leaders-angry-over-35-million-cycleway-for-wealthy-inner-city-suburbs/IR45PBOAP35AUYNFGHHMKAWHHA/

  3. Sounds like a bit of tall poppy syndrome coming from garibaldi pretty mean comment given we still have the lowest death rates from Covid in the OECD and our allies still have many more cases and deaths occurring daily.

  4. It’s been a while coming – as starkly put as this, It says it all.
    I assume a copy of this will quickly make its way to every Labour MP’s inbox?
    It surely, surely needs to!

  5. At least, should what’s being suggested here be actioned, the people would have a very clear binary choice – radical/transformative versus steady as she goes. There’s a credibility problem for labour though, both the dismal failure over the delivery of their aspirations and a fundamental dishonesty over their actual intentions. In particular the sleazy way He Puapua was hidden from the people at the last election. Why would they do that?

    Perhaps they know something you don’t or are unwilling to admit: the people aren’t fools, these kinds of changes suggested are deeply unpopular and for good reason: they tend to be disasters full of unintended negative consequences unseen by their Utopian proponents. Of course that could be countered with actual examples of free, prosperous and just societies that have adopted them before? No, obviously that won’t help either.

  6. “The first thing for the Labour leadership to grasp is that the changes that can no longer be deferred – on climate change, social equity, constitutional transformation and international relations – are so fundamental, so comprehensive and so disruptive as to be completely unassimilable by the current neoliberal order. Whether they like it or not, Labour’s leaders will have to become radicals and revolutionaries – or fade into history”.

    So erudite Chris. This and more. Fanciful? Utopian? Not at all.

    Well, you are right. In light of the task ahead better to be positive, hopeful, with options in hand than be pessimistic and cynical with no solutions I applaud you for that. But that part of me that is dark and cynical would hold that only one of the Four Horseman can shift the ideological impasse that political elites find themselves in.

    Vision! Conviction! Action! I do hope you’re on the right side of history.

  7. Preferably into political oblivion along with National….still die hard’s will keep them going….right?

  8. I’ve just read Verity Johnsons article in Stuff https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/128047599/why-i-am-thinking-of-ditching-labour
    Here she outlines – in similar terms to the article above – her disappointment in the Labour government and it’s complete lack of transformational policy.
    And despite being ” … part of the turmeric and charcoal scented young, urban Centre-Left” – this core left voter is considering ditching the it.
    What is most fascinating and where Jonson differs from Trotter is in her decision to support National as a better option to the disappointment of supporting Labour.
    In other words for the majority of middle class NZ it actually doesn’t make much difference to them day to day or even on the big issues whether they vote for Labour or National. And I don’t think they really care because the impact on their lives is minimal either way.
    What Jonson doesn’t do is consider or even attempt to push for the radical transformation her original support for Labour desired – as Trotter does. Instead – there’s a shrug of the shoulders and an “oh well at least my taxes will be lower under National”.
    And this, comrades, is exactly how it’s supposed to work – Verity like Adern (and all NZ voters) has the “cuffs of “the way things are done” around her wrists and allows herself to be escorted quietly to the neoliberal jail.”
    This is why we don’t have a Mana Party but we do have an Act Party – the Overton window in NZ has moved along way from the days of Trotters youth of a class conscious and motivated electorate.

  9. Labour/Greens/Maori Party could work very well together if they got their heads and got rid of all the stupid shit.

  10. Yet, why is it that when Labour ever considers immanent movement on something transformative Chris always takes to his pen and sternly warns of dire political consequences to their ability to stay in or obtain office. Suddenly it becomes a matter of poll driven pragmatism.

    The ultimate see saw.

  11. I agree Chris but the fly in the ointment is Identity Politics.

    In days gone by, I would have supported Greens without a second thought if Labour had disappointed me enough. Now we have co governance and all things identity politic. The greens are woker than LINO.

    And for many like me, who believe utterly in democracy, the ethno state and co-governance will not fly until we do it constitutionally by popular vote and dont get me started on that other evil of the day, limits to free speech and freedom of expression.

    Ex Labour voters like myself have nowhere to go. I cant vote Labour or Greens and I despise National so its a vote for Winston or TOP or no vote at all.

  12. All NZ parties are only the rich mans friend. Do yourself a favour and leave the parasites paradise. Vote Albo.

  13. I have never abused children or old people for not agreeing with my views zI have not throw shit and stones at the police while doing their job . There are truly principled people with anti vax views but there were not many of them in this mob

    1. Trevor Sennitt The protestors at Parliament may not have descended into an unruly and violent mob had they not been wound up right at the start by the hoon from Wainouiomata. That is something we may never know.

  14. “Instead of sucking up organisational talent the government’s goal should be to let it fall like windblown seeds into the fertile chaos of the revolution welling up from below.” I learned long ago that the fruitier Trotter’s metaphors, the more likely they were to be the real point of the whole exercise and the less likely they were to relate to anything rational at all.

    1. Harry love Sounds like you analyse all the flavour out of Trotter’s poetry, turning all to dust. It doesn’t match your mood which is depressing.

  15. We all know Labour and Forked. They pander to the fat centre of the political bell curve. They won’t sufficiently differentiate themselves from national so the center swings back and forth. This is Neo Liberal Labour. Nothing new to see here. Nation will get them of the “delivery propaganda”. Though I have my doubts about the Nats keeping their composure.

  16. Chris it’s obvious this government is not going to ever be transformational. It is clearly beyond them. They couldn’t even transform the tax system away from relying on taxing labour and shifting some of the burden onto capital out of fear it would cost them votes. Ditto housing, inequality, homelessness etc etc. Unfortunately the other mob think that a tax cut is the solution to every problem so I can’t see anything changing in my lifetime. It’s as if they have all run out of ideas and are floundering around in a state of myopic confusion. The only party that seems to have any fresh ideas is TOP and as they are on about 1% of support it appears that they will never see the light of day. Pity really because this country is crying out for change.

  17. The biggest problem is apathy, caused by constant gaslighting. My friend who was at ‘te Protest’ reported committed, vibrant humans. This species would seem to be few and far between and I think a lot of them don’t vote because why? it’s always going to be same shit, different day, and as countryboy says, the industrial scale corporate raiding which has hobbled this country has still not been addressed, therefore is still happening imho. Whenever you see “strategic partnership”, right there is code for “we win, you lose, suckers,” so pucker up and kiss the benefits.

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