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  1. Wow! Just wow!

    You’re right Martyn: This is indeed dynamite.

    Labour won’t help Mike because he’s not one of their inner circle of useless academic luvvies.

    1. I don’t think they are “academics” as such, although they might have uni degrees

      1. Anker Agree. By and large, govt departments are the last bastion of the grads who fail to cut it out in the real world. The whole system needs re-structuring.

    2. Neoliberal government dislikes real academics thus have put the business people and networkers to run and staff the universities to destroy the institution from the insides out.

      They also made professor wages so low for research that real and qualified scientists can’t do it long term as a career – then networkers and richer students get the money instead.

  2. Mike King is a national treasure isnt he.
    So much truth in what you have written about the Wellington bureaucracy Martyn, they are the best argument against big government in my opinion, having previously been more a statist myself, I now recoil from giving these unaccountable all powerful woke government troughers a single cent more.
    A major purge of the public service is going to be beautiful thing with the change of government.
    That King receives no funding is a travesty when this government gives millions to gangs as alluded at the end of his letter.
    It’s probably Kings fault for not being trans, a gang member or a Mahuta.

    1. Keep calm “Mike Kings fault because not trans, a gang Ora Mahuta member”
      Argh many a true word spoken in jest

    2. Mike King for PM and Bradbury in new priority heavy weight portfolio: Fortress NZ!

  3. serious questions need to be asked about why Ormsby got money for suicide prevention when he has no background in mental health.

    I am also suspious of sucide prevention campaigns, cause although we all want to lower the rates of suicide, not much works except removing access to the means of committing suicide. e.g when they changed toxic home supply gas, the rates when down because it was no longer a quick immediately available option.

    1. I’m not sure whether Ormsby himself was involved in suicide prevention but the Twitterer who exposed Mahuta’s conflicts also claimed he had a conviction (or perhaps had been brought up on sexual assault charges and found guilty of a lesser charge). So if he was involved, you would have to ask yourself what process was followed. I thought people had to be vetted for work for vulnerable young people.

  4. A small example of high-minded superiority and patronising. I had been a literacy tutor when I had more time, and had some success. I felt I understood the clients. I saw a book at the library which would be useful I thought and bought it. The woman at the agency,who looked and spoke like a university grad, turned it down explaining that only new books were provided, being a good change as ‘they’ had never had anything new .
    While this was a good thought it was also a patronising one that took away the clients’ agency. ‘They’ might have liked to have this graphic book with interesting pictures and text together if offered for their opinion.
    The middle class go in for zero targets and best practice and well-printed brochures, and projects approved by other entities. Simple and plain and effective doesn’t cut it.

    1. Grey.W. Hopefully not a grad – they buy the treasures from the Op Shops. I bought two good old NZ history books from a V de P shop. The man who served me was chuffed because he said that his manager told him he was not to put out books published before 1989, I think it was. I wanted to weep.

      Your instinct with your literacy clients would have been spot on, because you knew them personally. Good on you. The agency woman didn’t know them, her decision was based on the half-baked policy of the young-and-know-it-all’s.

      Oh oh oh. I may be age-ist or something. Oh oh oh the Kidman might get me.

  5. Interesting Martyn that the standardised rates per 100,000 by 2015 were 16.4 for males and 6.1 for females. I am not sure if that is a reflection of progress compared to the end of the 90’s; a more accepting attitude by society in general to “differences” in how people chose to live; a change in overall population mix; or a bit of everything. In any case clearly way too many people see a tragic early end as the answer

  6. The graph is really interesting but it would be helpful to see what has happened over the last 25 years. On the graph as presented the huge increase in suicides was mainly men whereas the female suicide rate remained relatively stable. The question needs to be asked why the difference and can men learn from how women appeared to be coping.
    As I say without up to date figures there is not much to be taken out of this graph but I suspect rates for both men and women have increased since 1999.
    Can someone provide a more up to date graph.

    1. Pat agree, thats why I included the 2015 numbers. They were the most updated I could find ( at least from the MOH). Those numbers show that particular metric has improved since 1999 (at least to 2015)

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