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  1. As Bert says you make your own luck and to date we have been very very lucky combined with being a first world island of 5 million with a health system that while stretched is able to meet our needs. We live on a knife each and if we slip up due to poor management all bets are off . There is unrest in many quarters as this government has destroyed the dreams of many .
    Covid related problems cannot be laid directly at their feet but many other missteps have occurred through poor management by lackluster ministers. It would not need much of a catalyst to stir up the masses.

  2. What difference do you think full vaccination of the coMmunity will make?
    The UK currently has 40% of hospitalisations fully vaccinated. So the numbers are reduced seeing 69% are vaccinated so the majority of hospitalisations are not; but is that OK? Will reducing hospitalisation and death from hundreds of thousands to many tens of thousands make a material difference to how we live and how we travel? And how many will die or be hospitalised by the vaccine? That is a very difficult number to extract from the officialdom or the MSM. There’s plenty of suggestions in the alternative media that it exceeds in 6 months all deaths from vaccines in previous history.
    Officialdom will say “misinformation” ! but they won’t tell what they consider the true numbers are.
    Try finding out how many people have died in NZ within 28 days of having their second shot. I can’t. Although Hipkins says that information is in the moh website it’s well hidden.
    D J S

    1. So you think in a country of 5 million where most are separated by 2 degrees of separation a significant number of people can die after getting the vaccine without it coming to light in the press. Just keep wearing the tin foil hat and watch out for the green men.

      1. I think that the breakthrough cases and breakthrough deaths in the UK and in Israel where phisa has been the main vaccine, are so large that full vaccination can only reduce the number of deaths and serious illness . There will still be an epidemic and deaths if we open up our boarders and live normally. Maybe no more than from a seasonal flu but that is the case anyway.
        D J S

        1. I’ve never seen the seasonal flu so rampant, nor made the headlines daily as covid has David. Around the world they see it way different than your small world.

  3. We already had nine years of National old view calling yourself new view and we did see a lot of homelessness, a huge increase in Maori imprisonment rates, growing inequalities, beggars on the streets, people sleeping in their cars (as no housing crisis) huge immigration, run down state services, lots of state houses and land sold and replaced with expensive apartments and the rich getting even richer of course.

  4. ‘Let’s cut through the bullshit here, Luke Malpass is right, the vaccine roll out is all that matters now.’

    I disagree, Martyn; the ONLY thing that matters is preventing accelerating meltdown of the planet. Without a planet to live on, it will make no difference whether people are ‘vaccinated’ or not.

    And clearly, from what we are witnessing overseas, the so-called vaccines [that are not actually vaccines’ are not effective. J

    It’s all just another rushed through policy that enriches corporations whilst failing to address anything that actually needs to be addressed

    Indeed, LINO polices have now transitioned from tragedy to farce, which is pretty much what we expected all along.

  5. Pre delta varient I’d agree we could wait but delta is a totally new ball park, if we get it here lockdowns will be 3 months minimum hundreds would die and we’d have thousands of cases. It would take a month for it to spiral out of control and our health department which nearly collapses every winter just with flu outbreaks would look like Spain/Italy.

    My 80 year old Gran hasn’t even been contacted, my mum who is a home healthcare worker whose coworkers and herself were failed by the govt over ppe and next to none of them have been contacted to be vaxxed YET mates in their 20s and early 30s who work in tech and it for the DHB,MSD / Ird have all been vaccinated. Wtf because I’ve got a mental illness and health issue I’m supposed to be in group 3 and able to get vaxxed but when I enquire I get told to wait my turn.

    Judging by how Ashley and the Moh lied through their teeth about PPE gear in the middle of lockdown and said it was going to care workers and it wasn’t and the unions had to get involved I don’t believe a damn thing the MOH says..

    If we get delta varient in here and a three month lockdown the trauma and anxiety that’s going to cause is going to cause major mental health problems and businesses and employees who are just clinging to their jobs are going to go under…

    Everyone needs to be giving this govt hell over it’s quite blase attitude. They’ve done good things but delivery is not their strong suit and I think the year of the vaccine is looking like the year of delivery.

    Noone wants a Tory govt but delta would ensure one.

    god damn what’s the point of having a hugely influential and celebrated world leader if she can’t use her influence and reputation to secure more vaccine supply

  6. The wrong people are in charge of setting up the vaccine centers many have no cultural skills or background and we wonder why those most at risks aren’t attending. We have not learnt and we are still making the same old mistakes not consulting with Maori and PI as to what they think will work bests, this showed in the recent lack of buy in to the large vaccine center set up to do mass vaccinations in Auckland.

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