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  1. Apparently rape is about power. Imagine the power of a rapist who gets his jollies by self identifying as a woman and working at a rape crisis centre.

    I guess we don’t have to solve poverty anymore because period poverty is already solved and we don’t have to solve gender equality anymore, because you can self identify as any gender.

    More woman on boards? Get a trans man turned woman! Sorry that’s a hate crime to mention that he used to be a man, build more prisons.

    More diversity, self certify. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/british-influencer-identifies-as-korean-after-18-surgeries/ZLPAHQDT5LGWPMEY5AQTAI6S7I/

    Want to lodge a land claim in NZ, just self certify as Maori!

    Just like self certifying qualifications to the highest bidder at NZ universities and trades, you can self certify as whatever gender makes life easier.

  2. Sadly the Standard is becoming just another propaganda machine for Auckland Council and Council controlled organisations, paid advisor posts, and the Labeen woke to keep fist bumping each other’s bad ideas and helping the neoliberals to succeed with the Natz back in power.

  3. I think it is good that someone who is obviously a member of the Green Party is speaking out. I don’t feel so alone now.

  4. Is Weka woke? Weka gets a lot of crap and had a lot of crap thrown at her for years for her position on self id, I personally have no dog in this fight but I think women should be atleast consulted, I don’t think she’s coming late in the day.

    Weka seems to be one of the few commentators over there who talk about class and poverty as much as climate change and feminism.

    Actually I’ve seen people decry the state of the left on twitter saying our loudest left voices are terfs on the standard like weka and “brociliasts like bomber”

    I personally think all voices on the standard and the daily blog are vital, though I like the daily blog better because over here you have a sense of humor, class politics and urgency and you don’t promote Chinese propagandists neoliberal hacks. A lot of standard articles are pretty much just academics smelling each other’s farts tbh

  5. I’ve posted comments on The Standard – years ago!!

    It didn’t take long to realize they were mostly off-their-rockers over there.

    Though I OFTEN disagree with Martyn and The Daily Blog, Martyn has covered VERY important issues and my respect for The Daily Blog has grown a lot this year.

    Other than the lite blasphemy and the odd Minto over reach – it’s an alright rag lol 🙂

  6. Fucking ironic, isn’t it? But this and proposed Hate Speech laws really undermine feminism and radical feminism.

    I mean they don’t want to say it but one is either born a man or a woman. End of story. But they can’t!

    And hatefully shitting all over men for being that gender has always been the go to pastime for feminism.

    Take about paint themselves into a corner with indignant righteousness!

  7. I read TDB and TS every day and it is disheartening to witness all the infighting on the Left. It’s simply a repeat of John Cleese and Palestinian Front etc. How can we ever beat those kiwiblog pricks if we can never get our own shit together? We are doomed!

  8. The Standard has definitely flirted with the right in recent times. Most obvious are Mike Smith’s regular pro-Chinese government posts which are, on occasion, anti-Muslim, victim blaming, and misogynist. They’d be weird in any context, but on a left wing site, they’re extremely jarring.

    Mind you, some might argue that the author of this post at TDB has shifted right as well, by regularly using ‘woke’ as a pejorative, and arguing against progressive change, because it possibly risks losing the left wider support. Not to mention chumming up with conservative pundits in the Free Speech Coalition, which is possibly analogous to Weka’s support of the right wing group Speak Up for Women. That’s not actually a problem, in my view. It’s a reflection of a well functioning and questioning mind to look at other aspects of issues, particularly to move outside the intellectual comfort zone.

    It’s simply the nature of a blog site. Individual authors put their point of view, for better or worse. Those views can change over time, as events and experiences unfold. That’s as it should be.

    Both TDB and TS have a significant role to play in the left discourse and while it’s obvious from the lack of comments on TS in the last year or so that it’s quietly dying, I couldn’t possibly comment on what’s missing from the site.

    1. Comrade – If I may push back on the claim I’ve become conservative.

      I believe class comes before middle class identity politics on the Left and I have called that faction out repeatedly for their petty obsessions and lack of progress on real economic justice not virtue signals.

      On the free speech issue, let’s be clear – they cosy up to me, I don’t cosy up to them! The Left should champion free speech not kill it off!

      1. Nice to read confirmation that the FSC folk see the value in your voice, Martyn! If only RNZ held the same conviction.

        The economic justice question is the major anchor on real progress for the left in the west. Since the shift to adoration of the market in the 80’s NZ and other similar countries have accepted 4-5% unemployment and obvious signs of avoidable poverty as societal constants. Like it’s good for us.

        1. That is one finley constructed, passive aggressive, semantic shield you’ve built for yourself.

          Seriously and can’t even be arsed signifying the hat with a reply

    2. Um what makes you say SUFW is a right wing group? If you click on their website you will find info about all the activism it’s members have been involved with over the years. Hell one of the founders is a marxist

      1. The women in SUFW are mostly left wing.

        Women aren’t responsible if right wing people follow them

  9. Re this gender identity bill being considered. A women, far from being a definable being, a fundamental and axiomatic aspect of humanity is to be diminished to the status of an idea. Less than an idea perhaps, a vague feeling, an undefinable emotion, a pretense, a delusion that requires us all to pander to the vanishingly small cohort of the self diagnosed gender dysphoric.

    It gets worse; laws are being developed to criminalise the questioning of this insanity. I see The NZ Herald have refused to publish the pre-booked ads from Speak Up for Women that featured the dictionary definition of women (adult human female) because “we considered that these were potentially inflammatory”
    The advertising standards authority had already cleared the ads – was there ever any serious question that a straightforward dictionary definition could be “offensive”. Will our dictionaries have to be purged as well, a national book burning session perhaps.

    BTW. this is the last day left to make a submission on the bill. The Speak up for Women organisation have links and suggestions to help.

    Note: When you’ve finished selecting and editing using the website, copy your text, then click through Parliament’s website. They haven’t made it easy as their website doesn’t accept ‘right click paste’ but you can paste by holding down the ‘Control’ key together with the letter ‘V’ key. Alternatively, you can paste your text into a word document and upload that directly. https://speakupforwomen.nz/

    Edited and re-posted from my Bowalley Road comment.

  10. I like The Standard but I do get into regular shitfights with some of the regulars over my non-progressive opinions. Weka is not one of them though, she is eminently reasonable and thoughtful. And those criticising anonymity have no idea what it is like for females on the internet. It’s a sensible precaution IMO.

    Some of the authors are terminally “woke” others more focused on class issues, like the latest post up there today: https://thestandard.org.nz/covid-we-need-to-talk-about-class/

    I would like to see more Solidarity on the Left, but I would also like a Lamborghini, and both seem rather unlikely 🙂

  11. Thank god for Weka and gender critical feminists.
    And thank god for the Daily Blog.
    I wouldn’t be surprized if there is a woke pile on on the Standard to shut some of us down.

    What has really gutted me is many of the progressive males on the Standard have dismissed women’s concerns about gender ideology and self ID.
    I am amazed people can’t see any problem with referring to people who wer born males, women who have penises. Or lesbians with penises. I. mean ffs. I often feel like I am in the Emperors New Clothes ( the part of the little boy).

  12. Agree Roblogic.

    I find Weka the voice of reason there! I was very grateful that posted on the BMDRR bill. Most people haven’t heard of it, cause the media are silencing gender critical women

  13. I’d post something over at The Standard on this – but I’m banned until the 23rd.

    The cited reason given was COVID misinformation, not going along with a moderators summation. A simple rule of thumb is not to have any prolonged debate with any of the moderators there until you can identify which of them to avoid totally.

    There is a long history to division within feminism, which is not a weakness. In this instance, the older feminists, who have longed fought for women’s safety, have a problem with younger feminist tendency to support inclusion via gender identification.

    Given humour is important I’ll re-iterate, Camille Paglia was once the only out lesbian at her college, today she identifies as transgender (a joke about being mentored by a man when writing her book about sexual history) and yet transgender activists at the college she teaches at want her thrown out/cancelled.

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