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  1. It used to be that one income ; any regular job, provided sufficient revenue to allow one partner to be a full time carer and homemaker. And the family could still expect to have a car and a home of their own . What happened exactly? Has any-one really tried to analyse it?
    D J S

    1. What happened over the past 30years? Every time some one speaks about it it’s like I believe in column A and you believe in column B. And I’d have these conversations where people are like why do you have to be right all the time and I’m like, I don’t have to be right all the time but if you make a claim you’ll have to defend your argument and I’ll defend mine. Ultimately I don’t care if I’m wrong, care about working towards having a better understanding than I had.

      By being wrong and making mistakes and I use venture capitalists as an example because the best venture capitalists only find one successful start up company out of 10. So you have to be wrong 9 times out of 10 to find the one Dimond in the ruff. You can’t get to the point where you can say this is how you set it up. None of this stuff happens until you make mistake after mistake after mistake after mistake.

      There’s nothing wrong with sitting back a bit and study abit and navigate the landscape abit but at the end of the day you just got to go because paralysis through analysis isn’t going to help either.

    2. Yep DJS;

      I came from this era when I brought home to Napier, my new wife in 1976 to begin a family.

      We got a loan for $12.000 to prop up our half deposit to buy a $23.500 dollar home.

      Inside four years we were both working full time until a baby came along, and I worked from the home as an electrician and took care of the baby along with family members while my wife went back to work, (her choice) and all went so well.

      The morage was quickly being paid off and we were debt free by 1984.

      I am so sad that our kids both did not have the same chance as we had, and it is the sheer “speculation” that has now ramped up the house costs we believe now.

  2. It is time to get real about having children, pay people not to have kids. And the hero business of breeding is ridiculous!

    It is amazing not to take into account the future your kids will inherit with climate catastrophe, civilization collapse…

    People who have kids need to be pulling down the system which is destroying life on earth for every being on the planet. If parents don’t honestly believe the shit thats hitting the fan then they are ignorant self centred idiots. Dragging kids into the sixth mass extinction is cruelty.

    The western bubble will pop and this death cult culture will die which is what it deserves. Anyone having kids now is crazy, and not a hero!

  3. You don’t need children to have a full life! How can anyone be empty living amongst all this beautiful life, whoops forgot our culture is destroying it all. By over population and mindless consumption.

    Nature doesn’t negotiate. We need a habitat to survive which is fast being totally wiped out.

    Good luck.

  4. Current Human Population of Earth: 7.6 billion (est)

    Projected Human Population of Earth by 2050: 9 billion.

    Along with 9 billion mouths to feed will be demand for water, food, resources, disposable consumer goods, more plastic, more CO2/methane emissions, more rainforests clear-felled, more pollution, further fishing resources depleted, and war. Expect more wars as nations compete with each other for scarcer and scarcer resources.

    Expect National to be re-elected on their oft-stated promise to over-turn the Coalition’s ban on new off-shore drilling permits, as the price of oil escalates and the “lure of wealth” is dangled in front of our propertied Middle Class. (You know the suckers will fall for it.)

    And expect us to be involved in super-power conflict as we try futilely to stop Antarctica’s mineral wealth to be seized and exploited by the US or China.

    Yes, humans have a right to breed.

    But like every other freedom there are consequences. Consequences that have been spelled out for us very clearly. And which some choose to ignore at the expense of our planet; our civilisation; our species.

    Because, y’know, we have a fucken right to consume and breed and pollute until it kills us all. (Which it will, eventually.)

    May that fictional god help us all.

    1. PS: This was not having a ‘go’ at Ms Ardern and her partner and child.

      Probably wasn’t the best place to post this. If anyone objects, Scarletmod can delete my comment.

      1. I find it ‘interesting’ that the comment I made a while ago, pointing out the abject failure of Jacinda to protect her progeny’s future, was rejected. Hence, I stopped commenting on TBD.

        Clearly there will be no ‘Human Population of Earth by 2050: 9 billion’. Indeed, with the global extraction of oil (now necessary for the production and distribution of most of the world’s food) having peaked, the only possible scenario is massive human population die-off commencing in the 2020s.

        Whether any humans will be alive in 2050 is highly debatable, since the rate at which humans are destabilising the geochemical systems that make life-as-we-know-it possible far exceeds the rate in all previous Mass Extinction Events. Those previous CO2-induced Mass Extinction Events occurred over thousands or hundreds of thousands of years; the current CO2-induced Mass Extinction Event is occurring in a matter of a few hundred years.

        By 2050 the destabilisation of the ice in the Arctic currently underway will be have been long-completed (ice-free) and numerous positive feedbacks releasing massive amounts of CO2 and CH4 from permafrost will have been triggered; runaway greenhouse will almost certainly have been triggered.

        Of much more immediate concern is the global food supply. We cannot predict the rate at which industrial agriculture will collapse; if could well be within a few years in some parts of the world if current trends continue:

        http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu/

        However, we can predict that governments around the world will continue to ignore ALL the fundamental factors that needed to be addressed long ago (when the first warnings were given), and will continue to operate as agents and facilitators for the global banking cartels that control most of the world.

        The hope that stems from gross ignorance of the facts, and a blind belief in the benevolence of the system that the vast majority of the population seem to have, along with the dysfunctional economic system are what keep us on the path to global catastrophe.

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