Like all crypto-fascists, ACT are now claiming their racist stunt was patriotism

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1. Seymour should contemplate the ultimate form of nationalism, a benevolent state. His hero Ayn Rand ended up on welfare and Medicare provided by her fellow citizens.

2. Seymour should contemplate the ultimate form of nationalism, a benevolent state. His hero Ayn Rand ended up on welfare and Medicare provided by her fellow citizens.

   1. Well, there you go. Maybe Seymour’s future is a bit bleak too. He’ll have alienated enough people, that’s for sure.

3. Seymour, twisty, turny. This from an old study of human beings.
   From Machiavelli quotes: https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/niccolo_machiavelli_135440
   *One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.
   *One change always leaves the way open for the establishment of others.
   *Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil.
   *Politics have no relation to morals.
   *There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things.
   *The fact is that a man who wants to act virtuously in every way necessarily comes to grief among so many who are not virtuous.
   *Men are so simple and so much inclined to obey immediate needs that a deceiver will never lack victims for his deceptions.
   [This is our hope:]
   *God is not willing to do everything, and thus take away our free will and that share of glory which belongs to us.
   *A return to first principles in a republic is sometimes caused by the simple virtues of one man. His good example has such an influence that the good men strive to imitate him, and the wicked are ashamed to lead a life so contrary to his example.
   **Niccolo Machiavelli

   1. ‘One who deceives will always find those who allow themselves to be deceived.’

      Exactly, thank-you Greywarbler.

      That ties in with the question I asker further up. Do Seymour’s fellow ACT MPs ever ask themselves if they are in the correct party? Do they have any autonomy or are they there because they’re yes men and women.

      1. But I find Joy that ‘Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil.’ is pretty hard to take. But the writer has been a close observer of human actions and reasoning and no doubt I could find examples if I looked enough. And it goes to the heart of the matter, that we do not understand our underlying drives and paper over the cracks to avoid looking, as we should.

4. I like Charles De Gaulle’s definition.
   ‘A patriot loves his, or her, country.’
   ‘A nationalist hates other countries.’

5. It should be pretty obvious by now.
   Those who seek to divide will preach about unity; those who seek to enslave will preach about freedom; and those who intend to censor will preach about free speech.
   We see all of these in our wee Dave. Think for example, what a meagre and niggardly form of freedom is really on offer from this imaginary champion of freedom. Dave’s conception of freedom is nothing but the freedom to compete against everyone else in the market. There are no guarantees about the outcome of this competition and no guarantee that it will be fair competition in the first place. And there is certainly no freedom for us to collectively say – “actually, structuring our society as an undeclared economic civil war of everyone against everyone else and devil take the hindmost, is really inhuman and stupid, let’s change how we do things”. Any thought of that will be strictly policed and stamped out.
   Or put another way. all self-styled libertarians are authoritarians in disguise.

6. That image of the guy urinating looks real. Any info on it?

   1. You are going to love this – it’s an ACTUAL political advert by the Democrats against Reagan’s trickle down economics during the 1980s

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