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  1. Since industrialism is the problem, and since all the major parties endorse and promote industrialism -thereby promoting accelerating meltdown of the planet -voters with brains are left with quite a problem.

    1. Its more than simply industrialism AWKTT. Its frivolous consumption, the entitlement of those the system rewards with discretionary income – and those who can’t afford it but simply put it all on credit anyway. Its economic models that are predicated it seems to me on social Darwinism not metaphors of symbiosis and cooperation. Its monetary capitalism that idolizes quick and easy profits. Its the sacred domain of private property; the promotion of self-interest through which people act in pursuit of their own good but are supposedly guided by the ‘invisible hand’; competition in all its forms including the reinforcing role of sport; the ideology of the free market; the promotion of consumer freedom and the protective laws that ensure the ‘rights’ of private citizens (and corporations) and help maintain the social order. What we need is a paradigm shift in thinking not another variant of the Third Way. A big ask. Too tough? Is the Covid pandemic enough? But you are right AWKTT: all major parties endorse and promote the status quo, to a greater or lesser extent, and it appears we ARE at an environmental turning point.

      1. All things you mentioned, and many you haven’t mentioned, Boso, are the products of industrialism, the conversion of resources into stuff via the use of fossil fuels, and the movement of stuff via fossil fuels.

        Those who argue in favour of electric cars or solar panels etc. conveniently forget that electric cars and solar panels are products of the fossil fuel economy. And what is more, much of the ‘food’ ingested by 7+ billion humans currently alive on this planet is grown, harvested, processed and distributed using fossil fuels.

        As emeritus professor Albert Bartlett pointed out over 20 years ago, industrial agriculture is a system for converting oil into food -not literally, of course, but metaphorically and in practice.

        I was a little shocked to discover today that a recently-met acquaintance had no idea this has been going on in Alberta:

        https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=images+of+athabasca+tar+sands&id=D6761B316D7C9BB6F8E5A494207B0AB6B280EB00&form=IQFRBA&first=1&scenario=ImageBasicHover

        What, not very long ago, was a thriving ecosystem based on forests has been converted into a ‘moonscape’ of toxic waste about the size of England…just so people in western nations can drive cars, have cheap flights and get stuff delivered by diesel trucks.

    2. I agree we vote for the best of the terrible lot we have in parliament, we look at all their policies and decide what is the best of them and for me that is vote Green despite their FUs. The main parties are crap.

  2. Even IF neo liberalism is rolled back by BOTH of NZ’s major parties, and that’s not likely, at all, then it will have to be unwound slowly so as not to scare the horses. If National undoes any progress made by a Labour Govt, and vice versa, it will just never happen and we end up with all this tinkering. This is the current situation and is driven by the people. If enough people vote for the Natz and there policies we are stuck in an endless loop. And vice versa. I’m going Green this election no matter what little change they can effect, and sincerely hope Labour keep the Natz out, but only as the lesser of 2 evils.

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