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  1. Jacinda, Grant, David, anyone in the Labour leadership – can we know your real position on the TPP-11 before the election please?

    There’s no ABSOLUTELY no chance that Labour will declare its position before the election – because it is pro-TPP (both the content and the process), and doesn’t want to risk alienating the majority of New Zealanders who oppose TPP.

    The only safe option is to vote Green.

  2. yes this is true we don’t need more imported rules around our lives and TPPA is just a corporate contrived set of controls over everything we hold as good in our country.

    Labour! grow a backbone please.

  3. TPP – like the bad smell that just won’t go away! Good grief, do we need to have another large countrywide protest march to draw the attention back to the bad feeling so many New Zealanders have for this treasonist agreement?
    To Anyone from labour reading this – as a voter I am genuinely hoping that a labour lead government will slowly put NZ back on track after National’s 9 year disaster effort. If you seal NZ’s fate by running with the anti-New Zealand document that is the TPP-11 (ffs) I shall not be voting labour again. Ever.

  4. A timely update from Prof Kelsey to keep the TPPA on the election radar .
    This needs to be a key debate question for all remaining Leaders debates. Currently conspicuous by its absence.

    Neither Hoskings or Gower have raised this in the 1st two major party debates and its vital its back on the agenda ,given the overwhelming public concern 2015/2016/2017.

    While the media have sidestepped TPP, I have heard that It’s Our Future CHCH intend to have a protest TPPA presence at the Stuff Press debate this Thursday. Go the South .

    TPPA proponents thrive on secrecy , so lets crank up the blow torch on the media and keep this alive as an election issue .Getting Prof Kelsey on RNZ or Campbell Live ,to ask why this has been left off the debate question list would be a good start.

    I’m with Kim Dandy, if Labour were to go with TPP-11 ,they would be polling under 24% in no time.No vote from me.

  5. “Or does Labour intend to retreat behind the same wall of secrecy as National has in these renegotiations?”

    There is no alternative to such secrecy. We would be thrown out. I hope that Labour in Government considers the expert advice it will receive on the benefits of free gods, services, and capital flows. And carries on.

    1. There are plenty of alternatives, even within the self-serving secrecy pledge that the countries signed up to (at the US behest). There is no reason why Labour cannot consult on a mandate, conduct an independent and public cost benefit analysis of the options, publish whatever mandate they might settle on, if they do at all, and publish any proposals they intend to table before the proposals have entered into the negotiating arena. They could even, horror or horrors, propose a review of the delegitimising secrecy pact. Other countries are providing information on their negotiations, including draft texts they are tabling – including the EU – so why can’t the TPPA do that too?

      Better still, we could be thrown out. Yet, we would then forego the ‘benefits of free goods, services and capital flows’ you refer to – given they largely illusory in terms of benefits, and seriously outweighed by the multiple and well documents downsides that seems the most sensible thing to do.

      Actually, Srylands, if you are so convinced of those benefits you should be supporting all the above proposals for openness and legitimation to prove your case. It is just so much more convenient to hide behind the shroud of secrecy so you don’t actually have to front up and defend the truth about what a shoddy deal this is for New Zealand (and most other TPPA-11 countries).

      1. Would this government ever agree to any deal before conducting “due Diligence” firstly and know how beneficial it is to us all?

        If they do not release a pre-agreed policy then we must assume it does not benefit us and must be scraped and we should with draw from it entirely.

  6. ‘Labour and National are both hobbled by a web of lies and deceit involving eye watering swindles which have cost us many generations and billions of dollars.’

    Absolutely!

    Both Labour and National are business-as-usual parties, not just kowtowing to banks and corporations, and providing opportunists with opportunities for looting and polluting but actually facilitating such things.

    The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as they say, and if Labour does manage to form the core of the next government, expect betrayal, cover-ups and U-turns on what was said before the election.

  7. If Labour can’t clearly state they will get rid of the TPPA especially investor state dispute and protect NZ citizens from fake food, environmental degradation and 20th century labour and migration agreements that are now creating massive poverty and social disruption in the western worlds while the western governments greedily suck up the short term benefits to them and the economic benefits to a select few, then my party vote will be for the Greens.

  8. Labour is committed to ensuring democratic, civil society and public involvement at all stages
    of trade negotiation. While a certain level of confidentiality is required to protect New
    Zealand’s interests, Labour will ensure that full and appropriate use is made of public
    consultations, civil
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    society dialogue, parliamentary oversight and public debate before, during and after trade
    negotiations. Labour believes that the public have a right to such involvement.
    3.26 Labour will not negotiate or ratify any trade agreements that allow for foreign investors or
    traders to have special rights to sue under investor state dispute settlement chapters or
    clauses in these agreements, or any other restriction that prevents the NZ Government from
    passing laws in the public interest. Thank You Marja.

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