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  1. Also, just how exactly did hate speech laws end up as a recommendation in the Royal commission when the terrorist was a foreigner radicalized overseas?
    Unless of course it was a complete whitewash of government agency failure and pushing an agenda.

      1. Thanks Kheala, yes the tragedy in Christchurch was played very cynically by this government,
        Norway didn’t punish their citizens after their mass shooting, and their guy was home grown.

  2. There’s a whole new hating-on-speech law here now, arriving by stealth. Ostensibly it is about “Gay conversion therapy”. Yeah..? Nope.

    The “Conversion Practices Prohibition Legislation Bill” targets anyone at all who talks to anyone else, including children about “transitioning” and related matters. So if your kid starts asking you about this, you as parent will need to be very, very careful in what you say by way of reply.

    The bill is NOT directed at some freaky extremist religious practices. Faafoi spells that out:

    “Faafoi said it was about letting people be who they are, and to avoid the harm that could come from these practices regardless of whether they were being pushed by “a priest or a parent or the rugby coach down the road”. ”

    From this link: Newstalk 30th July (thanks Anker)

    1. Also from that link, “”Asked whether parents could be jailed if they stopped their 12-year-old children from taking hormone-blockers, Faafoi said anyone intentionally changing or suppressing someone’s gender identity or sexual orientation could be breaking the law.” “

  3. I believe in free speech as I believe it is one of the cornerstones of a democratic society.

  4. Reminds me of a Pam Ayre joke. A person fell over a cliff but caught a branch that held for a while and they called out ‘Is anybody there to help me..’ And God replied soothingly ‘Yes, I am here. Let go of the branch and I will hold you safe.’ A short silence and the voice whimpered ‘Is anybody else there’.

    If it is Labour hanging on a cliff and thinking that Kris Faafoi will save them, then they should think again. But they seem very hopeful when his important portfolios are stacked up. How can one person do them all justice!
    Minister: Broadcasting , Immigration, Justice.
    Emergency Management (Acting Minister)

  5. As I mentioned in a previous post this hate speech legislation encapsulates Labour and their policy delivery woes perfectly.

    Some in the Labour cabinet seems very light on real life working experience and are largely derived from academia and politics. Actually nutting something out and producing a soliution from a plan from start to finish is something that appears alien to them. They need support staff every step of the way. But the trouble when you get someone else to produce your whims is they may not be able to deliver all or any of it, probably none more likely. Hence all the non delivery on important policy.

    Exacerbating this is ministers in roles they have no expertise in, Faafoi a classic example.

    This legislation is terrible because laws that are vague are bad laws. When you’re are relying on police and judges to just wing it, it’s bad. When your own citizens are the lab rats for a new law, it’s bad. But when the very individuals who want this legislation can’t even verbalise what it is they want, then this is why whoever has tried to interpret the vague whims of the Prime Minister and her Justice Minister has ended up producing the shitter it is.

    Worse still, both the PM and Faafoi are supposed to be experienced law makers and yet the impression they give is they are rank amateurs.

  6. Riddle me this, please, anyone:
    A person can bash their toddler to death and get Home Frigging Detention!!!

    A person can try and answer their child’s questions about the whole transitioning whatever, and potentially get up to five years in jail, under the proposed new law.

    What happened to “Kiwi-as”??
    What happened to us?

    1. Is there a law against anyone trying to influence your child toward some unnatural orientation ? or is that OK?
      D J S

      1. It is a part of the new school curriculum!!!

        Children are now taught to question their “gender identity” from a very young age.

  7. The media has free speech now but says nothing bad against our trecherous leader?

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