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  1. I wouldn’t get too excited about vaping….its the tool that cigarette companies will use to keep smoking alive for future generations.

    https://www.theverge.com/2017/11/16/16658358/vape-lobby-vaping-health-risks-nicotine-big-tobacco-marketing

    Personally I think that if you’re still smoking at this point in time, well, you are a real trooper and seriously committed. The sight of a 50 year old adult puffing on a vapor thingy is bleak. Aesthetically I’d rather they just smoked a cigarette and maintained some dignity.

    1. … ” The sight of a 50 year old adult puffing on a vapor thingy is bleak. Aesthetically I’d rather they just smoked a cigarette and maintained some dignity ” …

      Now why is that ?

      You’d rather them mess themselves up and others around them such as their children because it ‘ maintains some dignity ‘ by continuing smoking and ignoring the facts about vaping? You do realize , of course , … that the Royal College of Physicians has stated that ‘ vaping is 95% safer than combustible tobacco’ , don’t you ?

      And that the by – product of vaping is H2O and CO2 , – which is exactly the same as when YOU respire.

      In other words – there is no second hand breathing problems by others as there is with tobacco. And the same Royal College of Physicians also stated that the amount of nicotine in the atmosphere is absolutely negligible after vaping indoors. Whats more , – the amount of nicotine adsorbed by the vaper is far less than that of the smoker on each inhalation.

      There are around 3000 chemicals in tobacco that has been com-busted – of which around 900 of them are either carcinogenic or highly toxic. Contrast that with the three involved with vaping – nicotine , VG and PG , – the last two being additives commonly used in foods , – the very type of foods YOU consume .

      And btw – nicotine IS NON CARCINOGENIC.

      It is estimated to be about the same sort of stimulant as caffeine.

      And then there is the MASSIVE amount of funds saved by the Public Health systems in treating chronic , preventable long term illnesses such as emphysema and lung cancer – not to mention coronary problems.

      So you would still be worrying about ‘ maintaining some dignity ‘ in the face of all that ?

      I can tell you , – being a worker all my life and being quite a hairy guy who sweats in the sun when pouring concrete and the like that you can forget all about those fancy little doo dad patches – they stay on for all of about 5 minutes – if that. And lozenges look like your sucking on a golf ball and can get stuck down your throat when your doing something active. And gum can end up on pavements , eaten by pets , – or even used by children mistakenly. And costs a bloody PACKET if the doctor hasn’t ordered it for you.

      Notwithstanding the ‘ritual’ involved in smoking which a patch or a lozenge doesn’t have – nor the gum. There are times and places for the other quit smoking aids but none of them contain the ‘ ritual’ of smoking as vaping does.

      I would say to you that a 50 year old who chooses to vape instead of smoking combustible tobacco products has already more than ‘maintained his or her dignity ‘.

      They have and are part of the wave of people who have to contend with uninformed attitudes such as yours that are prevalent in order to ensure a healthier and better future for potentially thousands, – as well as saving this country untold millions in health expenditure.

      I have not touched a cigarette for over a year because I started vaping. After 30 years of smoking roll your owns. And I don’t miss them and furthermore – I’ll never go back to them. I have gone from the higher doses of nicotine e liquids and now am at a middling level – 12mg /Ml. And sometimes use 6mg / Ml.

      Vaping is an important tool for quit smoking and is the way of the future for thousands who might otherwise die an early death because of combustible tobacco. As such , it should , – MUST , – be included with a government medical subsidy including a starter kit and several bottles of e liquid when requested by the individual.

      And the ridiculous stigma and public perception along with the misinformation attached to vaping MUST ALSO GO.

      1. Thank you.This sounds like a creditable way of quitting.I will try it…getting a bit tired of being treated worse than a pedophile for a personal choice which is not yet illegal….

    1. there is also the fact to consider that for people with some forms of mental illness – nicotine – because of its’ calming effects – is a form of medicine – so in the name of humanity – those receiving medical help from them should be able to get ciggies on prescription..surely..?..
      not just be screwed by higher and higher prices/taxes..

  2. It is over 60 years since the US Surgeon General reported a link between smoking and serious ill health:

    ‘1957 –Surgeon General Leroy E. Burney (1956-1961) declared it to be the official position of the U.S. Public Health Service that a causal relationship exists between smoking and lung cancer (June 12)
    1964 –Surgeon General Luther L. Terry (1961-65) issued Smoking and Health, the first Surgeon General’s report to receive widespread media and public attention (January 11)
    1965 –Congress mandated health warnings on cigarette packs’

    https://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/ps/retrieve/Narrative/NN/p-nid/58

    Things move rather slowly in ‘democracies’ when vested interests and money are involved.

  3. I would question the value of Vape. It has been blamed for popcorn lung and my son (aged 47) has just been diagnosed with Empthasia after smoking vape for the last 12 months.

    I would be investigating Vape and banning it as it is a health risk!

    1. I totally agree with all your points except for the vaping. Inspect the following:

      E-cigarettes – the real ‘gateway drug’ for youth that leads to smoking for life

      Currently in NZ if you wish to quit you are offered the drug Champix or Chantix in the US. Maybe the high suicide rates in prisons since the smoking bans may be related.

      http://www.truthwillout.co.uk/champix-for-new-zealand-next/

      http://www.champix.co.nz/

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2056892/Anti-smoking-drug-greatly-raises-suicide-risk-used-resort.html

      http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/america-tonight-blog/2013/11/21/fda-anti-smokingdrugchantixlinkedtomorethan500suicides.html

      http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/our-hidden-tragedy/4077018/Govt-denies-drug-suicide-link

      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/22/business/22drug.html

  4. “Isn’t it time to reflect on fanatical anti-tobacco crusade?”

    Indeed it is.

    And with a new Government in place that claims to care about growing inequality and poverty, one would think that would be the case.

    Unfortunately, the notion isn’t even on Labour’s radar.

    And Winston seems to have become the man of silence.

    Meanwhile, the Greens are hard at it making a corny Love Actually parody.

    Thus, the hardship smokers face and the slaying of shopkeepers will continue on, but at least we changed the Government.

  5. Well said.. It would be an interesting study to compare the results of the spiraling tax take.. One side being the percentage of ex smokers who credit the price increases with their decision to quit.. The other being the percentage of increase in tobacco related crime.. Then compare the social cost/impact of both results.. My pick is it wouldn’t look good..

  6. I think the govt should allow only the raw dried tobacco leaf to be grown and sold and not imported and leave it up to the end user to make their own version of addictive poison out of it.

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