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  1. Great that the PM’s science advisors have rediscovered the truth that jailing people is a way of criminalising them. But they don’t ask why waste money on jailing people instead of rehab into useful wage work?
    Answer: capitalism creates a reserve army of surplus workers to drive down wages. But for that to work workers have to work, not steal or riot or even worse plot to overthrow private property.
    In fact it was Marx who first (to my knowledge) suggested that capitalism needed to create criminals and lock them up so as to protect the moral superiority of a owners of private property who exploit, oppress and destroy the lives of workers. A useful by-product was the creation of a legal system that created hordes of cops, lawyers and jailers devoted to keeping ‘social order’ – a euphemism for class exploitation. And privatisation of course profits from the perpetuation of prisons.
    So good luck PM’s scientists in stopping Labour building yet more jails.

  2. “Prison costs in New Zealand have risen over the past 30 years and particularly in the last 12 years at a rate that far exceeds of any other component of government expenditure.”

    Funny that is when Dr Gluckman has been the science advisor for the dirtyest Government in our history for the last nine years and allowing our rivers to become so toxic that the government is now warning most are at times un-swimmable and our water is not safe to drink without putting chemicals in their drinking water such as Chlorine and fluoride

    Well done Dr Gluckman so here is the door and you are fired (we hope)

    1. If you go back to the advice on various subjects, including climate change and dirty rivers, given by Dr. Gluckman, you might find, that you find yourself very much in agreement. That governments ignore said advice is a different matter. Who knows what the current government will do with this report. If there are votes to be had with a strong “law and order” stance, not much I suggest.

  3. Was shocked at how incompetent and unjust the justice system was when recently was talking to someone who helped a person who had got into trouble. The first thing was that even though the persons crimes seemed fairly minor and did not involve physical harm to a person the person was put in jail for days and told they would be held on remand unless they pleaded guilty.

    They pleaded guilty to get out of jail. The next bizarre incident was that the record they were using appeared to be someone else’s with a substantial criminal record which was not the person’s. This did not come to light and was probably not going to be picked up but was probably only because a whole lot of people started taking interest in the case. Apparently it’s a common occurrence that the records are mixed up. Unbelievable!

    When held on parole the person was told they had breached because the parole officers went to the wrong house and that was not true.

    When sentencing the person noticed that another person who was charged at the same time as them but with a different crime was still awaiting sentencing in Jail. That person was a teenager and it seemed incredible they were held in jail for months when they had not been convicted and they were so young! Apparently he was very frightened to be held in jail. My guess is if you don’t plead guilty straight away, this is now used to hold people in jail.

    Seriously just hearing about a little taste has left me knowing something is VERY wrong and unjust in our ‘justice’ system.

    The sad part is, that being in jail or getting a criminal conviction follows someone around for the rest of their lives and it seems like they are being handed out cart blanche in our justice system and for crimes blown out of proportion to not very worldly people being pushed into pleading guilty, not much effort seems to be given in getting the information right about previous offending, the parole system is incompetent and teenagers who have not been convicted are being held for months in jail.

    No wonder our prison rate is going up while our crime rate is static.

  4. What does ‘rehabilitated’ mean – in this context?

    I’m serious.

    We have no idea of either the process or the end result.

    What will these people return to? What kind society will take them back? What doors become open to them? Is it worth all the effort on their part?

    It all sounds just so cute and ‘saintly’ yet –
    will they resume modern society fit to participate or prosper? Or simply to ‘know their place’ and have to be forever penitent for a debt that’s already been paid?

    It’s not just crims who need rehab: so does the outside society and its thinking.
    And what do we do with the ‘bad little blighters’? They’re there – despite what the ‘sweet innocence’ advocates say. And they’re very expensive. Do they get the input? Or do the main resources go to the many more who can be helped into richer lives?

    Problems. Ethical dilemmas – and they’re not challenges for politicians. Where are our reformed crims? We need to hear from them – as well as prestigious scientists and waffly sentencing people.

  5. (((Sir Peter Gluckman)))

    Cleangreen. ..yes Indeed.

    (Might met you at later date , in the gulag.)

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