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  1. Surely Mahuta is only expressing a NZ view of what the Solomon Islands should do. She knows very well that she has no power to control or direct what they do.
    D J S

    1. David Stone: “…she has no power to control or direct what they do.”

      In fairness to her, neither does she have any power to issue a dissenting statement. She’d be slapped down by the rest of the 5 Eyes, were she to attempt to pull a stunt of that sort, for all that at least some of would welcome a more independent stance from our government.

      I note that there has been a call for an invasion of the Solomons:
      https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10650759/amp/Commentator-calls-Australia-INVADE-Solomon-Islands-David-Llewellyn-Smith-Macrobusiness.html

      NZ needs like toothache any involvement in a caper of that sort. The Solomons is an independent polity: we should keep our noses out of it and refrain from any comment on its decisions.

  2. Meanwhile back in reality, most of these island states are simply incapable of running their own affairs.
    I recall one island state that was preparing to hand over their entire fishing rights to the Chinese because the various village chiefs had been given ATVs for Christmas. LOL

    The White Man’s Burden – it’s a thing.

    1. Is that your racist rant for today or is there more to come?
      Could you please explain or provide evidence of, “I recall one island state that was preparing to hand over their entire fishing rights to the Chinese because the various village chiefs had been given ATVs for Christmas.” or are we to assume you “LOL” is evidence of you having a disingenuous laugh over a made up yarn.

      As for, “The White Man’s Burden – it’s a thing.” What the hell is that about. Didn’t you get the message – the Solomon Islands is a sovereign state and quite capable of making its own choices.

      1. He’s a very naughty boy, perhaps “brown woman’s burden” would have been moe appropriate in this case.
        When I was in the Cook Islands a few years ago there was a big scandal; one of the politicians had accepted a large, secret, back hander to support Chinese fishing concessions. This sort of thing is not unusual, the Pacific peoples have been victims of deception and corruption for centuries. The Tongan government were regular victims of various scams and con artists in the eighties and nineties. There’s a certain naivety and the rule of law and not always what it should be.
        What bothers me about the Solomans situation is that the politicians will, almost inevitably, become unwitting (?) participants in the sort of thing that occurred in the Cook Islands. The Chinese imperialists have, therefore, bought themselves a powerful coercive weapon to control the local politicians and, to make things much worse, would have the martial force to to put down any dissent from the people. It’s not really a criticism of the people to say that they are a bit naïve, they are isolated and sheltered – or were.
        Yeah, I get it, independent country, etc. but I don’t think we should shy away from taking a paternalistic interest in what happens to these people. I think, if these Chinese forces are installed, it will be very bad for the Solomans people. The security issue for us is a minor concern.

  3. Can’t see why the Aussie’s are so upset, they’ve already flogged off the Port of Darwin to the Chinese.

  4. A lot of ordinary New Zealanders have long fallen for and embraced by default, the venerable class trap of siding with “their” imperialist power/s. Which is rather obviously US Pacific Deputy Dog Australia, and the rest of the 5 Eyes bunch.

    It is quite mind boggling to think about how we ever achieved Nuke Free legislation via a mass movement in the 1980s in Aotearoa NZ. I guess neo liberal hegemony was not absolutely entrenched back then, and Nuke Free did coat tail to some extent on the powerful World Peace Movement whose goal was to remove ICBMs from Europe.

    It is disappointing to see another Labour Minister whipped into submission by her Dept., the neo Blairist Labour Cabinet, and the Septic Tanks, yet again. Solomons are a bit of a failed state but should be allowed to pursue their own course none the less.

    1. +100
      Which is a big reason why our public service is the way it is and why politicians are so easily captured by it.
      ….”embraced by default……..” Indeed! It’s now second nature to them and most are not even aware of it

      (We now again parachute them in from the Empire in a way that’s reminiscent of the days when they came to show us the way. It’s really a bit pathetic – but yeah but nah)

    2. To some degree we got the nuclear free legislation as a sugar pill to help us swallow the noeliberal revolution .
      D J S

      1. David Stone: “….a sugar pill to help us swallow the noeliberal revolution .”

        Yup. That’s certainly how it looks in retrospect. While our attention was diverted by the nuclear issue, the government was able to sneak through far-reaching changes to society, without the attention they ought to have received.

  5. This’ transformational’ Govt ,should really be named the ‘pragmatic’ Govt.

    I’m sure Mahuta must feel frustrated but has little..choice.

      1. Lol.
        If the British or American empires were colonizing now I’d be against that too.
        The shabby history of the western Anglosphere doesn’t forgive the Chinese (or Russians) of corruption and murder.
        Have a look at what good friends the Chinese are to PNG:

        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-05/papua-new-guinea-tallest-building-deemed-uninhabitable/100947904
        And I note it didn’t take long for the anti American pro Russian crowd around here to go quiet as signs of mass murder by the Russians appear.
        I’m not doubting the Mike Smiths and other useful idiots in NZ will go quiet as the Chinese fishing fleets arrive in the pacific with their armed escorts and zero care for fish stocks or races that aren’t Han Chinese.
        Will the communist sympathizing NZ left care then when the ghost boats and bodies washing up will be local pacific fishermen not North Korean?
        Time may tell.

        1. Kcco: “….. signs of mass murder by the Russians appear.”

          Lord: surely you don’t actually believe that? False flag alert! It’s not as if we haven’t seen this sort of thing before: multiple incidents in any conflict involving a polity which the US/UK have deemed to be enemy du jour.

          And of course Russia is always enemy du jour. It’s a little difficult to figure out why that continues to be so.

          We’ve been getting a one-dimensional account from the usual suspects in western media, so many of us come to the blogosphere for a more nuanced perspective. And what do we find? The very same just-so stories as those purveyed by the msm. Grrr….

          Surely it’s dawned on people by now that they’re being propagandised? Do you know why Russia is carrying out this military operation in the Ukraine? You certainly won’t hear it in the msm. But consider: this is the largest military operation carried out by Russia since WW2, when the USSR threw out the Nazis and chased them all the way back to Berlin. It must be obvious from this fact that more lies behind this conflict than what we’re being told by the msm.

          1. Sure when “Russia” is the aggressor there is a reason for it that needs to be considered.

          2. SPC: “Sure when “Russia” is the aggressor there is a reason for it that needs to be considered.”

            That’s the whole point, isn’t it? This is something Russia hasn’t done since WW2. It isn’t Russia’s style to come in swinging in this fashion. And there surely is a reason for it.

            Not only is this operation legal under the terms of the UN charter, it is most emphatically justified. I know: I have extended family connections back into the Donbass.

            It sounds to me as if you have the msm view of Russia. This isn’t the US or the UK we’re talking about here. Nor even NATO, notorious for its unmandated bombing of Serbia all those years ago.

            Russia doesn’t attack without provocation polities outside its boundaries. Anything you’ve heard to the contrary is propaganda.

            I also advise you to read: nothing from the US or the UK msm, though. There are many independent news websites online, which will give you a more nuanced view. Try Consortiumnews and MoonofAlabama for a start. Both American, thus English language. There are many others.

  6. So you are saying her concern that a nation not be subordinated by China, is not supporting indigenous rights … . To what, sign a treaty that allows foreign investment and ownership and military presence to secure that …

    Like the settler government in New Zealand calling in imperial forces to own Maori land …

    1. SPC: “Like the settler government in New Zealand calling in imperial forces to own Maori land …”

      Even if the above statement were an accurate reflection of what happened here after the signing of the Treaty (it isn’t), the current situation in the Solomons isn’t at all commensurate.

      What are you proposing? That NZ and other countries ought to save the Solomons from itself? Good luck with that.

      NZ should stay out of it. It isn’t our business what its government decides to do.

    2. And the English did the same when colonizing NZ by bringing in mercenaries like Von tempsky.

      1. covid is pa: “…by bringing in mercenaries like Von tempsky.”

        That’s not what happened at all. Von Tempsky was a migrant from Australia: he came here with his family.

        He certainly fought in many campaigns here, his prowess and courage earning the respect of the indigenes. History records that when he was killed in Taranaki, Titokowaru ordered his corpse to be cremated. Other dead soldiers were eaten.

  7. All the communists in this left wing blog must be welcoming Chinese incursion into the South Pacific area. Those of us who live on the islands of Aotearoa recognize, as does minister Mahuta, that we are part of the Blue Ocean Continent and should do what we can to support other island nations and oppose sell outside imperialism.

    1. Agree with your sentiment but Aotearoa is only one island technically speaking.
      That being it’s originally specified definition. I don’t believe anyone has consulted on changing that definition despite widespread misuse, even on kiwi passports.
      Misusing “Aotearoa” is disrespectful to South Island Maori let alone everyone else that lives there.
      Colonialism and all its appropriation eh

    2. Peter H: “…Chinese incursion into the South Pacific area.”

      China has been variably active in the South Pacific – and south-east Asia – for centuries. Since imperial times and earlier. The Chinese were already trading in that area when the first westerners (the Portuguese, as I recall) arrived.

      I’m not sure what there is to get excited about over the Solomons.

      “….should do what we can to support other island nations and oppose sell outside imperialism.”

      Evidently, it hasn’t occurred to commentators here that the Solomons ‘ conclusion of a security deal with China may reflect its desire to be protected from, rather than by, the US and its “allies”.

      1. I’m reasonably sure that ‘neoliberal’ is the term you’re looking for. Call me naive but except for some parts of Eastern Europe, fringe extremists and with a negative connotation in woke circles, ‘whiteness’ is no longer an effective mobilising ploy.

        I don’t particularly disagree with your assessment of imperialist interests and hypocrisy although I fear realpolitik may ultimately result in a choice of western neoliberal or CCP imperialism where ‘none of the above’ is not an option.

        However the framing is remarkably aligned with critical theorists. Unless you’re invoking lazy tropes to enhance the narrative, you go beyond calling out western imperialism to saying Mahuta and Peters are ‘white-adjacent’ which is odd given your opposition to identity politics.

        Do you think neoliberal ideology is intrinsic to race and ethnicity? If so should we regard CCP ideology as intrinsically ‘Han’? That would be a surly be a surprise for many Taiwanese people.

  8. Yes, hypocritical. Acting in our nation’s best interests to ensure our security sounds a bit like how the Russian’s are justifying their actions in the Ukraine. Truth is, we need to be careful as any country ignores the PRC at their peril but there is a fine line between prudent manoeuvring and interfering in a sovereign nation’s business.

  9. It may be true that Mahuta will not give NZ’s “independent foreign policy” a decidedly indigenous inflection.

    But the specific language CT raises is a wired hook to hang that on. “Regional Sovereignty” could easily be shorthand for “sovereignty of nations in the region”.

    It’s also a wired issue to look at. Like would it be good to have this inflection, or not, or what? Presumably would would be good, cos colonialism etc.

    The more interesting q is whether we respect sovereignty or not by expressing disquiet about our neighbours’ international dealings. Heaps of people think we’re being hypocrites, as one suspects does CT. As I’ve commented elsewhere though, our liberal values are better than authoritarian values, even if we don’t live up to them perfectly. Can CT tell us why that’s not the case?

  10. Personally I have usually found Nanaia Mahuta to be overrated as a politician but only slightly. The fact of the matter is that you can only do so much work.

    I was just thinking the other day about Maori in authority being given more prominent roles within the different political parties. This fits in with that.

    There’s a lot of well educated and articulate, intelligent, and hard working young Maori in this country at the moment who are aspiring to be our future accountants, lawyers and judges and legal assistants, doctors and nurses and carers, and politicians and political leaders, amongst other occupations.

  11. Interesting how those prepared to site instances of “backhanders” being taken by island states to facilitate the advantage of foreign interests, fail to see that, in opposing China doing a deal with the Solomons for instance, we are in effect doing so to secure our economy’s trade “backhander,” from those with the power to cancel such arrangements.

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