Idiotic New Citizens Arrest powers enabling Vigilantes and Retail Staff to be thugs will kill someone
Oh FFS, what new hell is this?
Retailers to be handed wider power to detain shoplifters
Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith on Wednesday announced changes to legislation that will give businesses wider power to detain shoplifters.
The move is part of a raft of reforms proposed by the advisory group on retail crime that was launched in September.
The reforms include:
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- Amending the Crimes Act 1961 so that citizens can intervene to stop any Crimes Act offence at any time of the day;
- Obliging a person making an arrest to contact police and follow police instructions;
- Clarifying that restraints can be used, when reasonable, when making an arrest; and
- Changing the defence of property provisions in the Crimes Act so it is clear that reasonable force may be used.
Under current legislation, anyone can make an arrest at night where there are reasonable grounds for believing a person is committing an offence.
A warrantless arrest can be made if the offender is committing a crime for which the maximum punishment is at least three years imprisonment.
However, a person risks civil or criminal liability in the event of detaining a person stealing goods valued at less than $1000.
“The operation of the Crimes Act 1961 hinders people from stopping offending as it occurs right in front of them,” Goldsmith said.
“This initial package of reforms … will give Kiwi businesses additional tools to deal with those that are robbing them of their livelihood and economic growth.”
…this is fucking idiocy on meth.
We have this insane situation in NZ where angry Māori and Pacifica Youth rob diaries and garages staffed by exploited migrant Chinese and Indian workers while the white suburbs gasp in fear screaming, ‘Something must be done’.
Well this is Paul Goldsmith ‘doing something’ to appease the angry group of exploiter retailers who are sick of crime chasing away their exploited migrant workforce…
Labour criticises retail crime advisory group spend
The Labour Party has criticised government spending on an advisory group on retail crime launched by Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith in September.
Labour police spokesperson Ginny Andersen criticised the government for paying advisory group chair Sunny Kaushal $920 a day for his work.
In a reply to a parliamentary question in August, Goldsmith confirmed Kaushal’s daily remuneration rate.
“The chair will be remunerated in accordance with the Cabinet fees framework at a rate of $920 per day,” the minister said at the time.
“In addition, the chair will be reimbursed for actual and reasonable travel, meal and accommodation costs.”
Information released under an Official Information Act request revealed that Kaushal had been compensated $86,480 for 94 working days as of 17 December.
It also noted that Kaushal was unable to work more than 250 days per year, making his maximum annual compensation $230,000.
The OIA request also revealed the advisory group on retail crime had spent $136,100 through 30 November.
The advisory group had been given an operating budget of $1.8 million a year for at least two years when it was launched.
Andersen criticised the spending on the group to date.
“Instead of focusing on real solutions, the government has wasted millions on an advisory group that took several months to release a report,” Andersen said. “These are millions of dollars that could have gone to resourcing frontline police.”
…that ‘something’ is a bullshit tweak of the existing rules, but this is dangerous legislation because the redneck morons it appeals to won’t read the fine print, which is the goods stolen have to be over $1000!
The vast majority of shoplifters are not stealing $1000 and those that are come armed with hammers and weapons because it’s a smash and grab jewellery heist.
This will immediately lead to vigilante fuckwits stepping in to shop lifting situations under the mistaken belief they are somehow protected by this virtue signal while empowering Retail Staff to take matters into their own hands which will predictably lead to a spike in knife attacks by thieves who will immediately start carrying weapons.
National are under pressure, they’ve given that political pressure the virtue signal of a change in laws that don’t do shit but will be interpreted by the Exploiter Retailers and average dumb redneck as some sort of new defence.
It’s a virtue signal that could end up killing people.
I used to think Paul Goldsmith was better than this shit.
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“I used to think Paul Goldsmith was better than this shit.”
No we didn’t. He was a lap dog in Epsom for ACT. Tells you all you need to know about Goldstains.
So the Government implement a policy that will see people killed yet the Police advise the opposite, do not get involved. Yep, we will go with the police on this. As a shop owner said, this policy that arms the public will mean that thieves will now upgrade from hammers to guns! This one term government will need multiple policies reversed.
Yes, it will all escalate. Another good reason to go nowhere near dairies.
Goldsmith doesn’t seem to live in the real world. This is a nonsense if it only applies to items worth $1,000 plus. What’s the use of that at a dairy?
Someone who hasn’t read the small print is going to get themselves in an awful lot of trouble because of this stupid idea. From the home of stupid ideas…Epsom.
I mean, he looks like a nonce. No wonder he’s so friendly with the ACT Party
He is a nonce because his definition of a citizens arrest is to hold the thief by the arm until the police arrive. Now back in the real world…
If it’s under 1000.00 dollars then it’s completely NOT another tool for the exploited migrants you mention. Are they running Michael Hill outlets or fancy pants ridiculously priced clothing stores?
Is a security guard from a private company considered to be operating as a citizen?
What a silly man Paul is. As silly as Luxon. What a dreadful thing to do to the men of small stature from the great sub- continent of India – exploitation of whom is a booming domestic industry in this country – thanks Bill English – putting themselves at risk of injury or death at the hands of thugs and thieves.
Who knows what planet Paul inhabits, but he is clueless about how things pan out in the supermarkets on planet earth. Does he know that security guards have bugger all training and aren’t exactly king fu experts ? Does he know that the use of ‘ restraints when reasonable “ will be providing more job opportunities for car-boot lawyers as well as the odd death? Does he really think that we, the hoi polloi, will be impressed by Paul being such a tough guy on crime, when he is escalating it ?
Ginny Andersen is right to criticise Paul paying Sunny $920 daily to chair, yes, to chair an advisory group when this is money which no front line cop or will ever rake in, assuming that he doesn’t get injured or killed beforehand in the line of duty.. That’s my money Paul is flinging around like confetti, while our police emigrate, having been trained using my money too.
Paul seems a bit of a poseur, and like entitled Christopher, he under-estimates the ability of people to see through his waffle, we being not as stupid as he is, nor hugely inclined towards vigilantism as the answer to crime. On yer bike,Goldsmith.
Got a revolutionary idea here! Might be strange to all of you but bear with me a moment.
Now these young fellers carrying violent crimes, ram raiding, armed robberies and so forth. Why are they doing it?
They want money for drugs and alcohol and they do not have the jobs to pay for these things. They are also young, reckless and angry.
So how did we tackle this problem in past years.
Well we used to have regular wars where we used working class lads, fellers from orphanages, foster homes, state care, to fight and die to protect our markets and get in well with our trading partners.
Now this had the advantage of getting a lot of them killed( culling the working class herd so to speak) and for others working out their youthful exuberance and violence in foreign countries.
Now this left the problem what to do with them in peacetime. The namby pamby socialist swine who ran past governments took the outrageous view that the state should care for the working class rather than just use them for cannon fodder or low paid labour for their capitalist overlords (also revolutions in parts of the world showed that the sods could turn nasty ,if provoked enough, so some pacification was in order).
So they created this comprehensive Welfare State where rich people were taxed according to their income and the redistribution of wealth meant everyone had access to housing, healthcare, education and we had nearly full employment.
So when I was a young feller I was too busy working and studying to rob dairies or service stations and actually I did not need to because I had money from wages to buy the stuff I needed.
I knew the neighbourhood ACT member David Garrett spoke of where people went to the beach for the day and kept doors and windows open to cool the house. Unlocked cars with keys in them, supermarkets without security guards.
The difference is: ACT claims this crime free state was achieved with strict and repressive laws.
This is a lie.
Laws at that time, particularly for youth offenders, were lenient. It was not fear of punishment that stopped people from stealing. It was a more healthy society.
SO FINALLY THE CONCULUSION IS!
The solution to all this is provide these young people with work and study that keeps them too busy to get up to mischief. We did it before, we can do it again.
Sorted – no need to thank me – glad to assist
Razorbotham
And why are they angry!
Because there are not jobs that give people respect and the ability to feed their families. How some people are surviving is beyond me.
Sorted, indeed. And all without needing to be paid $920 a day to reflect at length upon the matter.
A closely related fact to the one about leaving doors unlocked is that, apparently, the NZ Police had no occasion on which to shoot anyone dead for more than twenty years at the high water mark of our full-employment-and-affordable-housing welfare state; that is to say, between 1949 and 1970.
Fatal shootings by the NZ Police were also rare in the Dominion era (1907 to 1947), though, as Lord Razorbotham suggests, our young men were indeed from time to time sent overseas to work off their destructive energies on Johnny Foreigner in those days. They also had, if anything, save for the Great Depression, plenty of work building railways, state houses, and so forth, to keep them busy while awaiting the next call to arms. (Source: https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2017/11/under-fire/).
Does stock insurance cover shop lifting? How bout a law change to protect people as well as supermarket margins, maybe legislation to grant immunity from prosecution for citizens protecting themselves against violent street thugs? In a clear cut case of random aggression when someone’s life is in danger the public should be afforded the same protection as police
Martyn, did you honestly think that Paul Goldsmith, the man who took te reo greetingsoff official Matariki invites, was better than this? When someone shows you who they are, believe them.
Well done Mark! Usual bullshit !
I am in PR China at present. Taiyuan, visiting in-laws.
Yesterday evening a shopkeeper was stabbed by a robber who took off with his daily takings.
The lady next door, a widow, was robbed a month ago after she picked up her pension money from the bank, knocked off her bicycle by someone who must have been watching her collect her money.
Now she is afraid to go out and her daughter-in-law must go everywhere with her.
in Lanzhou we had to take our neighbour to hospital after a knife attack where the thief slashed her arm because she would not let go of her handbag( we had to rush her there in a taxi because the Chinese ambulance service is fucking useless.)
THE FACT IS VIOLENT CRIME IS EVERYWHERE!
What you do not like is the ‘ferals’ in Aotearoa are not ‘Hua ren’ members of the heavenly Middle Kingdom. After all this is China where I have heard television personalities refer to dark-skinned people as ‘Heigui’ (Black Devils). The problem is you bring your racism with you when you emigrate.
You claim ‘I feel safer in poor countries.’ so fuck off to one and stay there.
Tell you what – try Mongolia – the people there really love the Han Chinese.
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Putting on my crime fighting outfit, jandals and torso slimmer band for my fat gut.
There is one aspect where this could be positive. I’ve interrupted several car thieves in the course of breaking into cars in the last few years alone. Due to ridiculous inflation and dumb restrictions on Jap imports designed to drive prices up, every one of those would have been well over the $1000 threshold.
I haven’t spotted someone doing a runner from the supermarket with a few meat trays for ages, but will applaud the next one I see. Little s**ts breaking into cars that belong to human beings, not supermarket chains, though? You better believe I’ll be coming out with a pocket full of zipties if I’m legally clear to do so. It should not be necessary to have theft insurance cover on your car, and decent working people should not have to take time out of their days and pay good money to get their cars fixed, just because the uniparty’s neoliberal regime does nothing to make sure that kids in bad situations have their situations improved so they don’t grow up to be evil little b**tards.
Oh my god the ferret has lost his marbles.Clearly Winston and the river of filth party have been in his ear .Imagine those ferals have this in the pandemic ,they would have lynched more people than the virus killed .I can see car loads of idiots driving around thinking they are community police and shooting anything that moves .
He is a nonce because his definition of a citizens arrest is to hold the thief by the arm until the police arrive. Now back in the real world…
So, no to wearing gang patches in public. How long before concerned M.M, B.P., 88’s, 81, KBeez start arresting people for unlawful detainments??