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  1. A long read with my main impression being that the woke do not have a monopoly on putting feelings before facts. While my christian values would have me think good of people I find it hard to believe that having Prebble involved in the Waitangi tribunal will make it any better.

    1. Agree, somewhat a surprising endorsement of Pebble the snake, background with Tim’s experience of the Tribunal notwithstanding.

  2. That was a great read and provides so much more insight then the sound bite outrage the seems to exist elsewhere. I also never new that about Susan Devoy and South Africa. Then again I can’t complain too much because Queen played at Sun City and I’m a bit of a life long fan of theirs.

  3. Mr Selwyn…hoist by his own petard here…

    Mad Dog is just that, with no discernible redeeming features whatsoever, he has written several chapters in the biggest political volume of all…right opportunism and class collaboration with international capital.

    A point of correction also, Dame Susan Devoy was that rare “Karen” appointment who actually grew in office and gained much understanding of the Māori world, she turned out to be a reasonable Conciliator indeed.

    1. Fully @ Tigger. Fully – both on Prebble, and Devoy. It was probably Devoy’s making, and it shows that rehabilitation is possible. From a Karen to a Katrina. From memory, she did an interview with RNZ a while back that wasn’t too shabby.

  4. I was at university with Prebble. He was a BMOC and I was a working-class lad getting his first sniff of academia – not very successfully. He was an arrogant prick then and I doubt if he’s changed much. It may be that arrogant pricks are necessary to lead political parties – pity. Bassett was one of my lecturers. If anything he was worse. He let his politics intrude into the workings of the Waitangi Tribunal. He thoroughly pissed off the historians that were working on claims. I know that much, because I was doing scut work for a group of them at the time. They were appalled at his ignorance, especially as he was historian – albeit a labour historian. Prebble I suspect knows even less. Fuck him. And Susan Devoy.

  5. You all need to be reminded that this is the government the people elected. Hopefully Prebble can persuade the members of the tribunal to stay within the bounds of their remit. The alternative is to simply shut it down.

    1. “Hopefully Prebble can persuade the members of the tribunal to stay within the bounds of their remit.”

      And the government Andrew, you forgot that, or did you?

  6. I watch with interest but fear that he is a stooge for the current band of racist twats who are hell bent on destroying NZ because god thinks brown people are unclean bottom feeders .No doubt he will earn a very nice top up to his super and may even get a knight hood if he can destroy the tribunal from with in.

  7. Prebbo, what a tangle of contradictions. He was part of a “new Right” cabinet in the Douglas years wearing a Labour badge. Yet these same arseholes promoted resolving Maori claims. Who knows what he will do now?

  8. I’m sorry how on earth can you write about Prebble and not read the weekly right wing garbage in the Herald. ( someone has got to do it for the team ) It appears you are writing from the past when Prebble and Douglas et. al were responsible for the slow death of David Lange and the Labour Party. Save the rail Prebble rode on the trains with the workers while he was planning to close them down, he was a minister in Lange’s government while working actively to destroy it, Douglas and Prebble et. al soon formed ACT all under the guise of the left but really under right wing ideology. God we must have been idiots not to see it then. We were brainwashed by these awful people ( hindsight is a wonderful thing ). The point is Prebble cannot be trusted he’ll say one thing and mean another. His personality alone will destroy the Waitangi tribunal . This awful government has opened a Pandora’s box with Potaka as the whipping boy ( he’s too blind to see he’s being used just because he’s Maori). Aotearoa is very fast headed for the point of no return in all aspects of our lives aided and abetted by Mr. 8% Seymour and the most inept PM ever.

    1. Yes they did their best to destroy NZ back in the 1980 but will look like pre schoolers compared to what we have got in government now .The big plan is to fuck Maori over big time and take everything they have .Gaza will look like a play ground compared to what these pricks are up to .

    2. Yes, that was my impression too. Devoy turned out not half bad as one would have thought and maybe did much more good than would’ve been initially expected. She really grew into a better person more intelligent person who called out racists.

    3. Potaka, it must be embarrassing being him. Too blind, too dumb or just a run of the mill opportunist.

      1. right wing christian idiot .I had two missionaries from his church on my door step one day preaching to me how balck and brown people were unclean in the eyes of god .I suggested he could come in and use one of my mirrors because he was very brown to me so must be unclean .He turned and left hanging his head in shame .

        1. …or a right wing Christian idiot. Explains it all. They suspend reality like no other.

  9. Not a comment on Prebble per se, but in every organisation there is a need for a dissenting voice to enable an idea, agenda item, plan of attack, allocation of responsibilities, etc. be analysed from every viewpoint.

    For without the dissenting voice the organisation will end up stacked with clones in an echo chamber of similar minds. I think it is good that we have alternative voices in the Waitangi Tribunal to carry out it’s reporting function. Namely;

    “The Waitangi Tribunal is a standing commission of inquiry. It makes recommendations on claims brought by Māori relating to legislation, policies, actions or omissions of the Crown that are alleged to breach the promises made in the Treaty of Waitangi.”

    Tribunal need to report in a manner that enables the crown to listen and agree to action, adding an alternative viewpoint adds this feature. Be good to see anyone that has an ability to help the commission report writing with a slant to what the crown may be able to implement.

    If we look at the tribunals latest report there is nothing in there to incite a tension for change by the crown. The only “stick” (not likely to send a shiver up the spine off the crown) offered is in the last paragraph of the report;

    “We caution the Crown that, on the strength of the evidence we have received, to proceed now on its
    current course will significantly endanger the Māori–Crown relationship”

    https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/WT/wt_DOC_219206368/Takutai%20Moana%20Urgency%20W.pdf

    Not sure if Prebble is the right person for the job, but lets see how the fluff shakes out of the blanket.

  10. Ekshully, it’s way past time that these sorts of appointments were subject to the full parliament’s approval.
    Hopefully this is the sort of thing various parties are considering when they get their ‘bottom lines’ together.

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