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  1. “Since 1984 New Zealand has had a philosophy of reliance on the private sector for building housing. What we got was the current affordable housing crisis.“

    No.

    The current shortage of housing stock and high prices is purely a result of limited supply of land zoned for housing. Look no further than local government and their burgeoning bureaucracies.

    The perfect counter example is Christchurch after the earthquake. Having lost a third of its housing, property prices stabilised because the government of the day pushed aside ECAN, took control of consents and approved large tracts of land for development.

    1. Reply to Andrew 6.00am “Hi Andrew, Christchurch now has terrible urban sprawl which requires significant and expensive road building to connect people to services and community facilities. It’s a very costly model where rates will be very high to support it into the future. The greens are talking about intensification which is a good idea, just not how they are going to do it because it is not planned. That means Christchurch should have gone up more, but planned so that mid rises, don’t shade each other or lose views. Planning is critical. Releasing land to simply build is not good urban planning. It is the model used since the 2nd world war and it has failed. Never mind the lost farm land.

  2. i agree with everything you say. also, to drive down costs, we, as a nation have to rebuild our building manufacturers. when almost EVERYTHING that is used to build a home or apartment is sourced from outside of NZ, there is no cheap, affordable housing.

    1. Reply to Standalone complex 6.05am ” Hi, I have some sympathy with what you say but I don’t want to subsidise too much. Business does need to stand on its own two feet. I thinking importing and trade is part of being in an interconnected world. The problem I see is our tax system creates subsidies for importing over local production. If that was fixed a better balance of local to import would exist.

  3. It’s notable that among the Greens housing policies, nowhere does one find the concept that ‘more state housing should be built than is sold to developers or directly destroyed’.

    Is there a single actually left-wing party in New Zealand that supports building more state housing than is destroyed?

    1. Reply to Mohammed Khan at 7.44am ‘ Hi Mohammed, I agree the political situation is very bad. All the parties have aligned up on the side of stupidity because they have misunderstand the problem and their own solution.

  4. If what is happening in South Auckland is an indication, the high density housing does not come with a corresponding increase in infrastructure spend to cater for the increase in population.

    No extra roading, no extra “corner ” shops, no extra schools, no extra sport and play areas, no swimming pools, no extra green spaces, no extra public transport, no extra electricity generation and distribution, no extra potable and waste water reticulation, etc. etc.

    Ghettos in the making.

    Add to that the feeling of entrapment by 30km speed limits, speed humps (even on main roads), no bus shelters, limited bus services, train services that only seem to run on weekdays, reduction in Park and Ride facilities, very little repairs to infrastructure as and when broken, etc.etc.

    Oh and if you want more cycling and walking, spend money on public toilets.

    Another problem facing Auckland is the drop in electricity voltage due to more and more users being hooked up onto existing small diameter wires. Maximum 5% is permitted, however at peak loads a simple multi meter test in the home shows drops of 7 to 8%. Pushing up electricity prices to the higher density housing projects. Takes the same amps to boil a pot of water but the voltage drop means the current flow is low therefore a longer electricity user time.

    1. Gerrit good points. And the realisation of the desert of community services in mass housing builds was all experienced before in my lifetime and should be available to planners in records if they seriously wanted to do their job for the people properly. I always fear a United States ‘tract model is being used for whatever.

  5. The Greens like all authoritarians (fascist communist neocon etc) believe that you can demand results, and enforce them. It’s far easier to influence thinking, the voluntary results follow. But our Greens are so ideologically driven that they won’t follow that course, it might turn out better than they want it. That authoritarians could never risk.

    1. Home owners are nimbys. If they are consulted we know what their answer will be. However, land along the main drag to island Bay must be pretty expensive, and the best use that can be made of expensive land is higher density housing. If the existing nimbys don’t like it they can always move elseware.

      In any case “punching down on local communities” – your words, not mine – doesn’t make the greens fascists.

      1. Reply to Mikesh at 1.10pm ‘Hi Mikesh, I want affordable housing for you. But these proposals won’t deliver it. Private enterprise has a a history of not delivering it. And somebody in Island Bay having a right over their property and what people do next door is well established in common law, and it was in legislation. So stripping away personal rights is a very serious thing. And it is only targeted at residential suburbs. They aren’t taking on the central cities businesses; requiring them to use their land better and support housing. And people want to live more central and if do they won’t have high communte costs.

        1. I agree with the building of residential accommodation in the central cities, but that should not preclude higher density housing being built in suburban areas also, particularly along min thoroughfares. “Common law” should also have regard for situations where an urgent need for affordable accommodation exists, and available land can be in short supply in central city areas.

    2. Reply to Nick+J at 8.39am ‘ Hi Nick, not sure i fully agree. Communities or democracies can demand things of others e.g. taking land under the public works act to build a road. But even then they need to go through a process. Mitigations can occur. So I largely agree with you but there is a point where you can force. I think they should be forcing where the real intensification is needed. The Te Aro area in Wgtn for example.

  6. Housing prices have stabilised or are going down. Same with private sector rents.

    In the North Shore there is a massive increase in Kainga Ora housing. In Bayswater 34 new units and there are hundreds in Northcote Central (actually started before 2017). Yes, houses were demolished, but substantially more have been built on the same site.

    Housing is not something that can be turned on instantly. It takes some time to do the plans and get the consents. Labour did start too late, but it is clear that progress has been made.

    On top of that, there is a veritable boom in three story terrace housing for the private market. In Bayswater they are typically priced at just over $1 million for a 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom unit. They don’t qualify for the governments First Home Scheme (price too high) so buyers need 20% deposit instead of 5 to 10% deposit. I imagine many buyers will have had some parental assistance with the deposit. One can imagine a young professional couple (for instance two teachers) being able to save $100,000 over two or three years. Essentially living off one income and saving the other. But it is much harder to see them saving $200,000.

    1. Cheers Wayne, always good to get sane comments rather than “this government has created the greatest division in our history and they have achieved nothing”.

      Simply insane, if not stupid.

    2. Can spot you lot pushing the debt narrative from a mile away. Paying off a mortgage in full is literally the opposite of what first home buyers should be doing.

    3. Reply to Wayne at 8.45am ‘Hi Wayne, I think your numbers show ‘affordability’ is gone. Just building houses won’t fix that because there are too many profitable was to use housing.

  7. Inflation is driving housing prices, always has, always will. Makes me laugh normiea going all around the economics textbook to arrive at “it’s poor peoples fault.”

    Developers are borrowing at 2% and loaning/renting that out at 10% and y’all have the Gaul to blame Labour, housing supply, the key goverent or what the fuck ever.

    That’s a good ROI if your a lazy fat scumy low IQ land lord.

  8. Stephen, while your characterisation of the Greens bully building and stomping on local democracy is interesting, your economic commentary and understanding… was really hard to read.

    1. Reply to Matt at 11.56am “Hi Matt, I had 800 words and a lot of ground to cover. My central economic point is housing in NZ is now big business. I record 6 very profitable business categories for residential housing – none are about affordable housing. The Greens with National and Labour are just opening it up as a free for all to build – maximise profit will rule and you can’t maximise your profit if you build quality affordable housing. We have the proof; it hasn’t happened. So we have the crisis. Government should not stimulate private markets as it removes resources from building affordable housing, which must be done by government and government is doing some but they are making it hard for themselves by stimulating private business who take resources away.

  9. The Greens are totally ideologically driven.

    Their behaviour in select Committee for BMDDR bill was disgraceful (Dr E Kerekere that is)

    Both Labour and The Greens refused to attend a debate on free speech in Dunedin, despite a lot of work by the free speech union trying to get them there. I think his speaks volumes

    1. Anker Elizabeth Kerekere’s bullish antics in select committee, are as likely to emanate from her own seemingly immature persona as from the Green’s ideological shackles and lack of decency and party discipline which enables big old women to throw their weight around at undeserving young males. It mightn’t have happened had his viewpoint not been presented by a symbol of the white colonialist males whom she seems to hate en masse and forever – not that anything excuses bad mannered behaviour. She does need to spruce up at every level, and chances are there’s no one to explain to her that student cafe antics aren’t always appropriate.

      There’s a stark quote somewhere of Nietzsche’s mad man running into the market square holding a lantern, and in my visualisation, it is Kerekere – or another – intoning, “ Colonialist ! Colonialist ! “ and I very much hope that nice men do not get too bruised by the haters. Fascinating that they wouldn’t debate free speech, but that too may be due to their own inadequacies.

    2. Reply to Anker at 1.43pm “Hi Anger, that was very interesting about the select committee. I had not heard. Thank you’

  10. I have often observed a link between ideologues and fascist style behaviour. I’m an educated elite, I know better than you so stand back while I make it happen. Jacinda, Greens etc. You dont have to look far to see it occurring the world over.

    1. Yep. Exactery. Probably started when education became just another commodity to be traded. It was quite a smart move really by a few arseholes, even if unintentional.
      And when you couple it with the cult of the individual over the collective, over-active egos and a few other things – you get things like todays Labour Party, Gweens and a number of other exceptional entities. (Nactoids were always that way, and always will be – it’s in their DNA)
      Like the grocer’s daughter said: No such thing as sussoity, or humility,
      Its a good way of explaining and justifying the failures of humanity. We’ll get what we deserve

    2. I know better than you so stand back while I make it happen. Fantail
      I understand that in a democracy with elected representatives who have at hand all the information required, the taxation and revenue, plus their own experience; a citizen does expect them to get on with the job, so they can stand back and watch them doing it.

      The problem is that that very thing is NOT happening – they are not doing what is very obvious and agreed by everyone with a brain and good intentions, that is needed to be done.

  11. You are right about Chch .We were lucky that we had a National government in power at the time of the quakes .Obviously there were mistakes made but 10 years on we have much to feel proud about. The council is to blame for slowing down the progress

  12. Shock Doctrine situation – where they create a self made ‘shock and crisis’ to justify removing democratic laws.

    Yes many of the Green MP’s are identify fascists.

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