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  1. “Venezuela isn’t a socialist economy because most of the economy is in private hands.. For all their talk of revolution, they haven’t actually made a revolution. Income tax is not higher in Venezuela than it is in Teresa May’s Britain. The proportion of the economy in private hands is not less than it was in Margaret Thatcher’s era in Britain. That is not a socialist country. And in my opinion they are paying the price for talking about revolution but not actually making one. I had the benefit of being in a room with Fidel Castro, and Hugo Chavez, not an easily forgotten occasion. And I don’t think I am giving away any secrets when I say that Fidel’s advice was, not to talk about socialism and revolution quite so much, and do a bit more socialism and revolution instead, and then when people like it, you can say to them, yeah, that’s socialism.”

    George Galloway and Adam Garrie discuss the historical background to the country and its Bolivarian Revolution.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r05IcTGYL_I&feature=share

    1. Wow, interesting g I deed I would like to know more about his you happened to be in that room…what were you doing there?

      1. Sorry for wrong words its the device I am using! What I meant was…how interesting you were in a room with Castro et al and what were you doing there in such august company

        1. Actually., your first attempt at wit said more… about you. This willful stupidity, common to the less than useful in any societal sense, is why we can’t have the nice things anymore…

  2. The powerful “world compact” of elite billionaires is actively planing to get The oil out and destroy Venezuela! in the rotting process.

    So if you got worried at the oil barons doing what they did to the “Nigerian delta” by destroying there rivers and water supply wait until all those sharks go after Venezuela’s oil, it will kill this delicate country.

    We saw Yugoslavia become a slave to these Global barons then now Ukraine, Greece then Venezuela!!

  3. Originally posted as a reply to Mike Treen’s blog, but probably fits better here.
    So those mass murdering warmongering scumbags are at it again, attempting to install a puppet leader in a sovereign country with the sole intention of raping and pillaging that nations resources. If these lying assholes really gave a fuck about oppressed peoples they would have spent the last decades invading country’s like Zimbabwe, Israel for perching on Palestinian land, saudi arabia, all the other South American country’s where they have installed and supported murderous dictators and war lords ad infinitum. What really worries me, is not so much the diatribes from pomposity, burton, etc. i expect that from the gang, but the way a large part of the world has been only to eager to line up, bend over and wait to please the master. Maybe they think they could be next in line if dissenting? I must say i have been quite impressed with Peters statements that the problems are Venezuela’s to decide, but unfortunately i can not see that lasting, and that nu zild will soon shuffle in to line and bend over. Please if one more person mentions DEMOCRACY i will throw up. I would also recommend that people do a little research on the background of the self appointed us puppet who has declared himself president of Venezuela.

    The vice president of Venezuela (elected) has just declared me president of the us.

  4. To facilitate just such an outcome, the Right has, for several weeks, been waging a co-ordinated campaign against the current Venezuelan Government, along with the “Bolivarian Revolution” championed by Maduro’s charismatic predecessor, Hugo Chavez.

    Actually, they’ve been doing it for several years. Decades in fact.

    The straightforward facts of Venezuela’s economy: that it has always relied in an extremely narrow range of commodity exports (coffee, oil) for its national income, and that it has consistently failed to make itself less dependent on imported necessities – especially food – by diversifying and/or industrialising its economy – are omitted.

    And that, of course, is actually the problem. Venezuela can’t actually support itself and that seems to be a direct result of trade.

    If countries actually developed their own economies to the point where they could support themselves then trade would minimise and the capitalists don’t want that as it would eliminate their ticket clipping – their bludging.

    The Right is, therefore, ranging itself alongside the most ruthless and selfish elements of Venezuelan society.

    Which is what they’ve always done. The right-wing do not like democracy – they like strong dictators.

  5. Maduro should talk with Guaido and agree terms for new elections.

    His real problem is Venezuela is a failed economy, and thus the government cannot continue as it has. So unless he has some means to quickly socialise the state and ensure domestic supply to the the people of their food and other supply needs and is willing to have a go at doing this without getting an electoral mandate first – then elections it should be.

  6. What we are witnessing is the blatant posturing of the U.S.Fourth Reich Empire under its moronic great leader Herr Trump.We have not seen the like since Herr Hitler invaded the Sudetenland. Unable to foot it with other states like Russia and China economically, the U.S.Nazi State moves to the only weapons left in its arsenal, that of the threat of military force and the use of economic sanctions. Economic sanctions have been compared to the practice of surrounding a city in medieval times to strangle it. It is an act of war! And predictably just about all the U.S.Empire vassal states have moved in unison to back this blatant interference, except for Italy and N.Z.
    Never since the rise of the Fascist powers in 1939 have we seen such a happening, which goes to show absolute proof that Western civilization itself is entering a terminal phase, bereft of moral compass !!!

  7. So who is going to tell the US to stop war-mongering and interfering? (Preferably before they get all geared up for the next presidential fest)

    Have the Democrats got it in them to thwart this as they seem to be doing for Trump’s wall?

    North American interests have caused more than enough harm to the south. It’s time to remind that hopeful nation to work on the messes inside its own borders before creating any more business for its oversized armaments sector.

    1. So who is going to tell the US to stop war-mongering and interfering?

      Unfortunately – nobody.

      The rest of the world still thinks that the US is there to help them despite hundreds of years of the US fucking over the rest of the world.

    2. With the patience of a saint Russia seems to be winning Syria , though I admit the jury is still out on that. But it looks hopeful in terms of Syria eventually regaining her sovereignty. They have made it very clear what they think of US antics re Venezuela …http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51026.htm.
      And have assured Maduro of their support.
      Bolton Pompeo et al are warmongering freaks. They are characters from some Monty Python type parody and I don’t think they know what they are doing. Trump may be far smarter than anyone thinks. Watch how they react when he pulls the plug on this escapade leaving them high and dry. (Just a thought , have to indulge my fantasies sometimes).
      D J S

      1. David Stone: “Bolton Pompeo et al are warmongering freaks.”

        Yes, they are. As others have noted, the US has not experienced large-scale military invasion. there is, therefore, no understanding of what that entails for any country or its people.

        Moreover, the endless stream of propaganda from Hollywood lulls Americans into a false sense of security. They truly believe that they are invincible; that they won WW2, including the war in Europe. This belief permeates US society, including in the heart of the Washington Establishment – which institution is the entity calling the foreign policy shots now. As it has done for all of my longish life.

        Commentators deride Trump for not being a pollie, and for his ignorance of foreign affairs. Just take a look at US foreign policy: most of it developed by unelected officials; the best one can say about it is that it is Disneyland stuff. And given Hollywood’s influence, who’d be surprised by that?

        Any US president which has tried to gainsay Washington Establishment foreign policy either is hornswoggled or suborned into toeing the Establishment line, or meets a sticky end. Jack Kennedy, eg. And Robert, of course: offed, just in case he did actually win the presidential election that year.

        “Watch how they react when he pulls the plug on this escapade leaving them high and dry. (Just a thought , have to indulge my fantasies sometimes).”

        I do hope you’re right! Though I’m less optimistic about that now, than I was a couple of years ago.

  8. What do you do when you are the elected representative of your country and are faced with this situation?
    You might reason that less blood will be shed if you resign and hand over to the US puppet. It might be the right thing to do. You know that from then on your countries resources will be harvested for the profit of US corporate interests and will be lost to the people you represent, but it will probably result in an improvement in their lives in the short term, and may forestall a bloody revolution, but it may not. And it is your responsibility to lead as you were elected to do. You shouldered that responsibility. You can’t abandon it without a mandate. And do you conform to a foreign countries’ dictate of when that election should be? He can’t do anything but carry on as best he can.
    It might be that I read more news than I used to, but it seems to me that the US might have gone too far too quickly and too blatantly this time. Too clear a pattern is emerging, too many people get the picture.
    I don’t think it’s going to work this time, China and Russia are ready to work out a way for Venezuela to trade what she has for what she needs. And help her get to stand on her own feet in terms of feeding herself , using oil exports as a bonus to her economy rather than the life blood.
    There is an interesting angle on it here…http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51031.htm.
    D J S

    1. What do you do when you are the elected representative of your country and are faced with this situation?

      You kick all the Americans out.
      You pass a law that makes it illegal for local political bodies to accept support from any foreign body.
      Any political body that uses foreign support gets jailed and their assets nationalised.
      That foreign support is lambasted as interference in national politics the same as the Russian interference in US elections.

      You might reason that less blood will be shed if you resign and hand over to the US puppet.

      Unlikely – see the death squads of Iran, Chile and other places which had a US puppet.

      It might be the right thing to do.

      Nope. Handing over control of the nation to another nation is never the right thing to do. Outright war is a far better option than kowtowing to the capitalists.

      You know that from then on your countries resources will be harvested for the profit of US corporate interests and will be lost to the people you represent, but it will probably result in an improvement in their lives in the short term

      Never has done before and this time won’t be any different.

      It might be that I read more news than I used to, but it seems to me that the US might have gone too far too quickly and too blatantly this time.

      Really?

      The US has been building to this point for 20+ years. They only took two years to invade and fuck over Iraq.

      Too clear a pattern is emerging, too many people get the picture.

      To bad that they didn’t get that picture in 1953. It was just as clear then.

      I don’t think it’s going to work this time, China and Russia are ready to work out a way for Venezuela to trade what she has for what she needs.

      I’m reasonably certain that China and Russia are fully ready to step in with full military support. The present ME quagmire has proven that the US can’t project power.

      The actions of China in the SCS has proven the UN toothless.

  9. Trouble is, there is NO one united ‘people of Venezuela’, same as there is not a united ‘people of the USA’ or a ‘people of New Zealand’.

    Venezuela has been and remains to be a very divided country. The ones suffering are mostly the middle class, as they like to call themselves. They never cared all that much about the people in the slums, and some used them for cheap labour, as maids and whatsoever, people desperate to earn a few Bolivars, so they could be ‘hired’.

    Yes, there have been many failings by the governments of last, and they should have used the oil revenue to create a new economy, less dependent on oil exports.

    So as that was not done, and as other things were not done, and as the mighty USA, now under Trump, does not condone a revolutionary firebrand amongst its nearest neighbours (Cuba is only put up with, reluctantly).

    Hence they have decided to deal to the regime in Caracas.

    As the ‘middle class’, always mindful of their little privileges, same as the property loving and owning middle class here, is desperate to return to their kind of lifestyle, they are now rallying in the streets, again. They do not care whether the US or any other power influences their country, they are always for sale, for perks, privileges, material lifestyles, so they will embrace the US and risk a civil war.

    New Zealanders put up with division here, the downtrodden never seem to stand up much for themselves, rather duck their heads, and hence we will likely have a return to the nasty Nats in 2020, as the middle class will vote for them, giving Jacinda the heave ho, as she will not deliver them enough prospect for a nice lifestyle on property speculation and a lifestyle on borrowed money.

    The whole worlds is screwed because of what goes on, forget unity, fight for revolution, and no revolution will succeed without some bleeding and suffering. But the bourgeoisie deserve to bleed, they will never honestly care for the less well off.

    That is why they love migrants in NZ Inc, doing the dirty and hard work, so the middle class can enjoy the goodies. Dangle the carrot PR in front of them, they will do anything.

    1. Yes and the migrants are also good for sowing a bit of disunity into the working class. See if you cant get them fighting amongst themselves over whose stealing whose jobs and driving down wages though no one has yet explained the mechanism how that works. Never mind adds to the confusion and then they’ll all just be grateful even to have a job

  10. Venezuela’s collapse is a window into how the Oil Age will unravel

    Since Hugo Chavez’s election in 1999, the US has continued to explore numerous ways to interfere in and undermine his socialist government. This is consistent with the track record of US overt and covert interventionism across Latin America, which has sought to overthrow democratically elected governments which undermine US interests in the region, supported right-wing autocratic regimes, and funded, trained and armed far-right death squads complicit in wantonly massacring hundreds of thousands of people.

    For all the triumphant moralising in parts of the Western media about the failures of Venezuela’s socialist experiment, there has been little reflection on the role of this horrific counter-democratic US foreign policy in paving the way for a populist hunger for nationalist and independent alternatives to US-backed cronyism.

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