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  1. On Friday 15 march 2019 the Children’s Strike for climate which generated thousands of support across the country was dramatically over taken by The War on Terror. If the GCSB and SIS new about the terrorist scum that massacred 50 kiwis then there’d be doing stuff about it, arresting people and covering themselves in glory. They’re not coving themselves in any glory which means that they’re making it up.

    Another thing normal people need to understand is they’re not recruiting to cover themselves in glory and protect the interests of New Zealand’s National Security, they’re just recruiting for themselves, They’re just recruiting for the GCSB and SIS and nothing else. This focus on what the GCSB and SIS may have done is one of the techniques used by The Government to avoid criticism OF the government and real power. If you can blame something on The GCSB / SIS Y’know these kind of robot outfits then you’re doing exactly what the government wants you to do.

    Y’all should be familiar with why the GCSB / SIS are a thing now. They’re rolled out into discourse for what’s called “Plausible Deniability.” So Y’know if the government want to arrest poor brown people you say ok the SIS did or The Police Commissioner came to me with an arrest warrant under the Terrorism Suppression and I had no choice but to sign it. And if something goes wrong then you blame this rogue outfit. And well the GCSB and SIS are just a tool of the executive, they are a branch of the executive that takes its orders directly from the executive to act in ways the provide plausible deniability to sort of keep us all clean and you blame them if something goes wrong and that’s fine. You’ve got collusion to bring down Phill Goff, collusion to get Tim Grosser a job, there’s a rich list of the executives wealthy backers and this agency that does all the shifty underhandedness.

    But when you talk about the GCSB or SIS you should use it as a metaphor for what the executive branch of the government is doing.

    1. So what you’re saying is that the spy services are really just jackbooted secret police, enforcing the private agendas of the government of the day? Isn’t that all the more reason to shine a light of critical enquiry on them and their activities? I agree with Suzie that the spooks will probably try to spin this tragedy as an excuse for even more funding and expanded powers for them, and we need to counterspin that, pointing out that the erosion of our civil rights since 9/11 has not only done nothing to prevent this horrific violence emerging from xenophobic, ethno-nationalist movements, but may be one factor contributing to the rise of them.

      1. I appreciate those facts that you present. Can I assure you that the thirst for white supremacy and sanatising history can now hold no water thanks to the events 15 March. It’s only a matter of time now that the backdrop of superiority is over taken by hope for the future. A cool, calm and collected leadership moves through these issues mothodically, deliberately and with ferocity and the sense that climate change is still lurking.

        1. Money need to be spent on restoring a register of firearms.

          The neoliberal agenda will not stand for taxation increases applied to wealthy, corporate dividends, multinational tax dodgers and the lowering of GST to help basic afford-ability of daily bread for the majority of Kiwis,

          So it looks like a quick response to public outcry will not include a fundamental stock take and tracking of firearms generally as it will cost many million plus enforcement over decades adding up to hundreds of millions.

          Addressing the future after a very long period of ignoring and denying consequences of our past and present policies and actions, will involve many changes, not only to gun laws but the very way we live in a neoliberal dictate with its destructive effect on society and the environment.

          The Christchurch event must no be allowed to over shadow nor sideline a much bigger agenda the young have rightfully given testimony to with direct action out in the public space.

  2. It’s an anarchist cliche that cops don’t exist to protect people, but to protect property, and I’d say that’s even more true of secret police. If you look carefully at who was targeted in Operation 8, Operation Lime, the state-funded spying by Thomson & Thompson, the prosecution of Ahmed Zaoui, even right back to the spying on Keith Locke and SIS breaking in to David Small’s house in 1996 during protests against GATT (http://www.converge.org.nz/watchdog/94/7david.htm), none of those movements were really threatening people, but they were threatening to the power of capitalists to turn everything under the sun into property and profit. Those who have carried out the real examples of terrorism in Aotearoa; the bombing of Wellington’s Trades Hall in 1984, the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior in 1985, and now this mass shooting, did not threaten elite property or profit, and were not under surveillance.

    I agree with Suzie that we need to have a serious political debate about whether it’s time to abolish these unaccountable secret police and restore our full democratic rights.

  3. It would be interesting to see where the GCSB & the SIS spend their budget, hopefully Winston & Jacinda will undertake an extensive Independent review of NZ’s security services ?

  4. Amazing the hysteria created by Kitteridge and john Key about Jihadi Brides it was if 1000’s were leaving the country daily to join ISIS ?

    1. key and his PR advises were grooming Kiwis for a wider agenda.

      Them and “us’.

      Keeping a mythical enemy alive and dividing Kiwis from reality.

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